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1 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 7:46:01am

What a freakish religion.

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 9:06:40am

re: #1 SidewaysQuark

The Haredi are Ultra-Orthodox Jews, but they are not their own religion. So when you say "What a freakish religion.", you are insulting Jewish people as a whole. Find a better way to express your disapproval than with insults.

3 Destro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 10:42:41am

This is sad that religious mandated oppression of women is happening in 21st century America.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 12:34:40pm

re: #1 SidewaysQuark

What a freakish religion.

'Freakish' would imply that its behavior was unusual among traditional religious cultures, which is clearly not the case.

Or perhaps you mean 'freakish' in the sense that these are people who bizarrely do not follow YOUR cultural mores and behaviors?

That said, my great-grandparents sat in mixed seating at the talkies, and so did theirs. I'm thrilled to see haredi women bringing their vision to the screen, but remain irked with the people Naomi Ragen refers to as 'the stringency kings'.

5 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 12:42:18pm

Kudos to these Ultra Orthodox ladies for getting out there and doing something positive and for making their voices heard. I'd support the filmmaker by going to see her movie—I think it would be interesting and I might learn something.

re: #3 Destro

This is sad that religious mandated oppression of women is happening in 21st century America.

The report is from Tel Aviv, not America. The women clearly aren't very oppressed if they're out making movies. //

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 12:48:51pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Kudos to these Ultra Orthodox ladies for getting out there and doing something positive and for making their voices heard. I'd support the filmmaker by going to see her movie—I think it would be interesting and I might learn something.

If you've not seen it, I strongly also recommend "Ushpizin", which while not made for the haredi community, featured haredi actors, and is a really well-done look at the community.

And have I nagged you to see "Wedding Song"? Muslim/Jewish girl buddy movie set in WWII era Tunis. Could kill you with sadness, but very, very good.

7 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 1:18:18pm

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

If you've not seen it, I strongly also recommend "Ushpizin", which while not made for the haredi community, featured haredi actors, and is a really well-done look at the community.

Saw it and fell in love with it. The husband & wife were too adorable. Y'know, even though our traditions are different, there's an odd sort of familiarity when watching them. I was able to relate to a lot of their struggles.

I can count the movies I've watched more than once on one hand, but the recent passing of Yom Kippur reminded me of Ushpizin and made me want to see it again. I think I'll do that this weekend and maybe make it a yearly Yom Kippur tradition. Weird? LOL, maybe, but I don't care—it's a great story with a good message.

And have I nagged you to see "Wedding Song"? Muslim/Jewish girl buddy movie set in WWII era Tunis. Could kill you with sadness, but very, very good.

Yes, you have and I did. It was indeed very good, but very sad. Painful to watch.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 1:23:03pm

re: #7 CuriousLurker

Saw it and fell in love with it. The husband & wife were too adorable. Y'know, even though our traditions are different, there's an odd sort of familiarity when watching them. I was able to relate to a lot of their struggles.

There is, in a lot of ways. I couldn't quite define it...I mean, dietary laws and such, yes...but there's also a sort of common approach that I can't quite put a pin through.

9 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 1:45:48pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

There is, in a lot of ways. I couldn't quite define it...I mean, dietary laws and such, yes...but there's also a sort of common approach that I can't quite put a pin through.

Yes, it's difficult to articulate. I had the same feeling watching "Arranged", the film about the Orthodox Jewish & Muslim young women whose families were helping them find husbands.

I think that in addition to the common approach, there's also a sense of "otherness" that comes from being observant in a largely secular world. When I say otherness, I mean I think we're perceived as "other" much more than we feel we are—as a matter of fact, I don't really feel "other" at all unless someone points it out. I'm just doing my own thing like everyone else, not asking anyone to do things my way. Yet people have these ideas about what we're like, how we think...we get lumped together as some sort of homogeneous blob in which there's no latitude of individuality.

Or something like that. Trying to describe it is sorta like trying to nail Jell-O to a wall, heh. ;)

10 Destro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 1:51:17pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Kudos to these Ultra Orthodox ladies for getting out there and doing something positive and for making their voices heard. I'd support the filmmaker by going to see her movie—I think it would be interesting and I might learn something.

The report is from Tel Aviv, not America. The women clearly aren't very oppressed if they're out making movies. //

It said New York Film Festival and that comment that "women clearly aren't very oppressed if they're out making movies" is shocking to me. So blacks in America were not oppressed when they were forced to make segregated movies to be shown for segregated audiences? Or when blacks were made to sit in different parts of the theater?

11 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:04:36pm

re: #10 Destro

It said New York Film Festival and that comment that "women clearly aren't very oppressed if they're out making movies" is shocking to me. So blacks in America were not oppressed when they were forced to make segregated movies to be shown for segregated audiences? Or when blacks were made to sit in different parts of the theater?

Hyperbole much?

As long as you're throwing flaming, gas-soaked straw men into the middle of the room, we're not going to have a conversation.

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 5:51:04pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Hyperbole much?

As long as you're throwing flaming, gas-soaked straw men into the middle of the room, we're not going to have a conversation.

That what Destro does: He goes after people he disagrees with in inflammatory fashion and then enjoys the resulting conflict. He does post some useful things, so he's not a entire troll, more a lizard/troll hybrid.

13 Destro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 9:54:44pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

I don't see the difference in religiously mandated sex seggregations vs racial seggregations (which sometimes is religious in nature also like what some southern Christians believed or say the Hindu caste system).

They are equally disgusting. This is religous Jim Crow.

14 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 10:00:29pm

re: #13 Destro

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

I don't see the difference in religiously mandated sex seggregations vs racial seggregations (which sometimes is religious in nature also like what some southern Christians believed or say the Hindu caste system).

They are equally disgusting.

Okay, now you're just being an asshole and serial down-dinging every comment in this thread. I'm done trying to have a rational, civil conversation with you—PISS OFF.

15 Destro  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 10:07:17pm

re: #14 CuriousLurker

I am trying to get my head around Americans defending discrimination of women because of fucking religion? The treatment of women in this article is fucking horrific.

16 CuriousLurker  Fri, Oct 19, 2012 11:45:23pm
17 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 9:04:25am

re: #15 Destro


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