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1 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:26:30pm

Naming Question: Given that the British Royal Navy and the Italian Regia Marina fought two naval actions called the 1st and 2nd Battles of Sirte, should the ground action in 2011 be called the 3rd Battle of Sirte?

/nitpicking

2 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:32:21pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Fair Point. That will be changed. I am more familiar with the umpteen-million Battles of Tripoli. Didn't realize the running gag was for Sirte too.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:49:18pm

If Bani Walid still refuses to reconcile itself to the result of the Libyan Revolution, then it must be occupied by forces from outside the city to ensure its obedience. No nation can indefinitely tolerate having a city of 80,000+ people in a state of rebellion. The residents of Bani Walid need to stop being butthurt and get with the program.

4 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:50:14pm

Good page. Highly informative.

5 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:57:30pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Pretty much that right there. I think Misrata (and plausibly Zintan and Az-Zawiyah) have the more base motivation of revenge. This will be nasty.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 9:03:16pm

re: #5 ProGunLiberal

Pretty much that right there. I think Misrata (and plausibly Zintan and Az-Zawiyah) have the more base motivation of revenge. This will be nasty.

"Revenge is a kind of wild justice, which the more man's nature runs to, the more law ought to weed it out." - Francis Bacon

7 Destro  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 10:08:25pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

If Bani Walid still refuses to reconcile itself to the result of the Libyan Revolution, then it must be occupied by forces from outside the city to ensure its obedience. No nation can indefinitely tolerate having a city of 80,000+ people in a state of rebellion. The residents of Bani Walid need to stop being butthurt and get with the program.

Except if they are the Syrian govt.........................

8 Destro  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 10:10:24pm

Lybia is an artificial nation where many tribal elements have never wanted to co-exist with each other.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 10:10:43pm

re: #7 Destro

GAZE

10 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 5:56:16am

re: #8 Destro

Bull. Libya has a history of being a cohesive unit since the its time as a vilayet under the Ottomans, starting in 1511. Everything you see now is a result of bitterness from favoritism from under Qaddafi's rule, or anger from actions during the war. This is somewhere in the region of things to expect after a Civil War. Ever hear of the Westmoreland dispute after our own revolution?

And in regards to Syria, it's a completely different animal. Syria's civil war resembles Lebanon's from 1975 to 1990. No real good side, just a bloody slog. Right now a 5-sided war. Pro-Assad v. Anti-Assad v. Takfiris v. Christians v. Kurds. These groups are all shooting each other. There is no good solution for Syria, unless we decide to take the poison pill, find some allies, and outright occupy the place. That is all I can think of. The fact that Assad has so brutally attempted to hold to power shows that he and his cronies are no longer fit to rule.

11 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 5:50:47pm

re: #8 Destro

And you can't even be bothered to spell Libya right.

Go Jackalope somewhere else.

12 Destro  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:55:39pm

re: #10 ProGunLiberal

Libya has a history of being a cohesive unit since the its time as a vilayet under the Ottomans, starting in 1511.

We all know the Ottomans were known for their democratic administrations.

Libya was always collection of contesting tribes ruled by a strongman/regime.

Qaddafi I am sure made things worse.

13 Destro  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:57:02pm

re: #11 ProGunLiberal

Did I spell 'go fuck yourself' correctly?

14 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:04:26pm

re: #12 Destro

And what has history been exactly, for most of it? Kingdoms and Depotisms fighting each other, and people trying for power grabs. The point is, Libya has been a governmental unit of some sort since before Westphalia.

I am trying to avoid be crude.


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