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1 Destro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 6:25:25am

The Abrahamic god hates rape victims:


It is fashionable to go around saying what God hates, from fags to figs and from America to amputees. Nonetheless, we at the Society of Christians for the Restoration of Old Testament Morality prefer to let Almighty God speak for Himself, through the Holy King James Bible, with no “interpretation” to make it more politically correct for modern liberals. We will therefore quote His own words — in Scripture verses that you will not hear preached from the pulpit of the ungodly Church of Compromise — about a group of people whom He says He hates, namely, rape victims.

2 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:12:12am

I cannot imagine a greater injury to a woman than this.

I was raped when I was 16. Not at knife-point but I acquiesced because I saw the violence escalating and knew I would have wound up being hurt if not killed. I figured surviving was better. It took me years, more than a decade, to come to grips with what happened. It seriously fucked with my psyche and I guess it still does because I tend to be pretty aloof and prefer being alone, something I wasn't as a kid.

To have forced me to have given birth on top of that (I did not wind up pregnant) would have damaged me permanently for life.

I despise these men for their righteous indignation for something that could not possibly happen to them. Watch them change their tunes when it is their daughters or wives, though.

3 Destro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:28:30am

re: #2 Joanne

I am so sorry. I don't understand (other than religion blinding women) how women can vote for Republicans in any way, shape or form.

I know for example if you recounted the horror you went through in a Congressional session or on a talk show the right wing would right now be attacking you like they did Ms Fluke and calling you vile names and even denying you were raped as part of their smear campaign against any who oppose their world view with actual reality.

4 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:41:51am

The GOP supports candidates such as this. Just like when Todd Aiken made his stupendously stupid remarks, a few Republicans said a few words and all was forgiven. They like Aiken. He's just like them.. This too will have some minor backlash from the right, then back to business as usual because this is todays' GOP. A vote for a Republican councilman in a backwater borough is a vote for a maggot such as this. So. they are not a Cult, eh?

5 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:41:52am

re: #2 Joanne

{{{Joanne}}}

6 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:46:10am

re: #3 Destro

I know for example if you recounted the horror you went through in a Congressional session or on a talk show the right wing would right now be attacking you like they did Ms Fluke and calling you vile names and even denying you were raped as part of their smear campaign against any who oppose their world view with actual reality.

**I** deny I was raped. For years I kept telling myself, "it was just sex" (I wasn't a virgin). It wasn't until I accepted it for what it was, that I was able to start mending my mind.

So, was that "forcible" rape? What if I had gotten pregnant and the Mourdock's and Akin's and basically the entirety of the GOP had retroactively gotten their way? Because I had no bruises, no strangulation marks on my neck, no gaping wounds on my body, would I have had to stand before a board (of men) to be judged whether it was sufficiently forcible for me to have had an abortion?

I tend to be more radical (or honest) than many. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant - for any reason - abortion should be legal. None of this rare bullshit, because then we give into that concept that abortion is wrong or bad. As long as abortion is considered that by people who support it, we will not likely win this battle for women to control their lives and their destinies.

More single mothers live in poverty than any other group. And, as we all know, there is no care or concern by anti-abortion people for the fetus once it takes its first breath. And until that changes, abortion needs to be readily available to all women.

7 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:54:49am

re: #6 Joanne

Well spoken. They wish to control and deny. That is all.

8 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:57:36am

re: #5 Sionainn

{{{Joanne}}}

Thanks, all. I rarely - if ever - talk about this. Few know, not even my husband, not because he would care, for he would give me hugs in real time. It is just not something I like to discuss. It is unfortunate because all this talk of what the GOP wants to do to women brings it back, no, front and center, in my mind.

And it scares me what women will have to deal with. I am far beyond child-bearing age. But I fear for the women who don't know how important this is, because it has never been illegal in their lifetimes.

This graphic image was from when abortion was illegal and the story of how this woman died was heartbreaking. The doctor fucked up and just walked out. He left her in a dirty hotel room to die.

When Abortion Was Illegal: WARNING - GRAPHIC IMAGE

No woman anywhere in the world should have to go through this, but this is exactly what women will face if abortion is made illegal or inaccessible.

9 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:08:10am

Nominate for front page promotion.

Also, has Mitt Romney made a statement on this yet?

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:13:26am

re: #6 Joanne

This part needs to be repeated often. There is nothing radical about it.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant - for any reason - abortion should be legal. None of this rare bullshit, because then we give into that concept that abortion is wrong or bad. As long as abortion is considered that by people who support it, we will not likely win this battle for women to control their lives and their destinies.

11 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:22:04am
God's Tool

What a great tag. Speaking of which, all Pages tags go to the front page. I suppose this is because the Pages overhaul is still in progress.

12 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:26:16am

re: #9 dragonfire1981

Also, has Mitt Romney made a statement on this yet?

Romney distanced himself from Mourdock (two days after filming an ad FOR Mourdock) and said it wasn't his policy.

Whoopie.

I posted this before, but truly, every woman should read this article about Romney. This is not someone we want or need as president of the entire US, including women and the poor, for we all make up the United States of America.

13 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:31:46am

re: #12 Joanne

Romney distanced himself from Mourdock (two days after filming an ad FOR Mourdock) and said it wasn't his policy.

Whoopie.

Here's an example of Romney "distancing" himself from Mourdock:

"Mitt Romney's campaign confirmed that he still supports Richard Mourdock and has not asked Mourdock's campaign to pull the ad Romney made in support of his Senate candidacy."

Total, unprincipled scumbag, that Willard.

14 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:33:45am

re: #13 Skip Intro

Here's an example of Romney "distancing" himself from Mourdock:

"Mitt Romney's campaign confirmed that he still supports Richard Mourdock and has not asked Mourdock's campaign to pull the ad Romney made in support of his Senate candidacy."

Total, unprincipled scumbag, that Willard.

Link?

15 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:34:18am

re: #12 Joanne

His policy and the GOP policy/platform seem to be 2 different things. I wonder who he will cater to if elected? If present actions are any indication he will be a rubber stamp for all this bullshit.

16 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:36:41am

re: #14 wrenchwench

What distance?

17 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:41:08am

re: #15 nines09

His policy and the GOP policy/platform seem to be 2 different things. I wonder who he will cater to if elected? If present actions are any indication he will be a rubber stamp for all this bullshit.

Read the story at the link in #12 and tell me if that question needs to be asked. His prior actions already demonstrate what future actions will be. Once he achieves the presidency (his only real goal), his time in liberal Massachusetts will be long gone. He does not and will not represent all Americans.

18 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:44:10am

re: #17 Joanne

With you all the way. I just like to show that quote from Reince Priebus because it speaks volumes. Romney is the empty suit. The hand with the pen. The GOP said as much. People are not voting for Romney, they are voting for the worst in the GOP. Romney sold whatever character he ever had years ago. Empty suit and empty soul.

19 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:45:00am

re: #15 nines09

His policy and the GOP policy/platform seem to be 2 different things. I wonder who he will cater to if elected? If present actions are any indication he will be a rubber stamp for all this bullshit.

Romney will govern as a fully controlled colony of Teabagistan, since that's who put him into office.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:56:58am

He's standing by his idiotic comments. Where the hell do they find these nuts?

21 nines09  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:04:57am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

He's standing by his idiotic comments. Where the hell do they find these nuts?

Right at the base of the GOP Tree.

23 Destro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:29:00am

re: #14 wrenchwench

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Mitt Romney Cuts Ad For Richard Mourdock, Calls Him '51st Vote' To Repeal Obamacare (VIDEO)

(I deleted the erroneous downdoing on you by me. I actually wanted to reply to you - I swear my fingers hit "Reply" rather that the plus or minus. I am using an android smart phone and it is glitchy with LGF when it comes to touch screen and other functions).

24 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:30:28am

re: #22 nines09

Romney expresses displeasure at Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdocks Ad.

"I absolutely abhor violence. I abhor any kind of sexual violence. I abhor rape. And I am absolutely confident, as I stand here, that the God that I worship abhors violence, abhors sexual violence, and abhors rape," he said.

So, God apparently hates rape, but allows a rape and possible pregnancy to happen? Oh, that makes it sooo much better.

Reason #852 why I'm an atheist. None of this shit makes any sense.

25 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:37:09am

re: #24 Sionainn

So, God apparently hates rape, but allows a rape and possible pregnancy to happen? Oh, that makes it sooo much better.

Reason #852 why I'm an atheist. None of this shit makes any sense.

It will never make any sense if you stop to think about it, let alone read the book that all of these wingnuts believe to be the literal truth. That's why you have to be an open vessel and just let the bullshit flow into you.

26 funky chicken  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:43:05am

Hey, Paul Ryan believes the same thing, so...

27 Destro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:59:37am

re: #24 Sionainn

re: #25 Skip Intro

Why do you assume the Abrahamic God is anti-rape? He is pro rape in the case of young virgins (pro murder of men, boys and non virgin women also):

Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

28 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:15:04am

re: #27 Destro

re: #25 Skip Intro

Why do you assume the Abrahamic God is anti-rape? He is pro rape in the case of young virgins (pro murder of men, boys and non virgin women also):

Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I never said that. Not only is he pro-rape, he's pro-genocide, pro-mass murder, pro child killing, and pretty much every other thing that non people of the book would consider evil.

29 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:20:23pm

re: #27 Destro

re: #25 Skip Intro

Why do you assume the Abrahamic God is anti-rape? He is pro rape in the case of young virgins (pro murder of men, boys and non virgin women also):

Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Because Mourdock told me so.
//

30 only_me  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:37:02pm

I was raped when I was a freshman in college, in front of other guys. Except it took me 3 years to realize it because "personal responsibility" was so ingrained in me from my parents, that I literally spent those years trying to figure out when I had consented. The fact I was drinking contributed to my feelings of guilt. I finally stopped thinking about what happened when I was blacked out (passed out), and started thinking about what happened when I regained consciousness and realized what was happening. I certainly didn't have any signs of "forcible" rape.

I thankfully didn't get pregnant, and I can't imagine the turmoil it would have caused in my life had I gotten pregnant, and the immense shame I would have felt if I would have been forced to carry a baby conceived from that mess. I can't imagine telling my parents. I can't imagine trying to raise a baby to have self-worth when my self-worth was in the toilet. But mostly, I think about how it probably would have changed my life. I probably wouldn't have finished college, therefore wouldn't have ultimately met my husband and had the 3 beautiful daughters I do have that were born out of love and raised in a stable, financially secure home at a time I was emotionally ready for children.

There are women who have carried and raised rapists babies, and have found healing with it. I certainly have no problem with their choice to do so, even if I don't understand it. But do these Republican men think about what might change because of someone carrying to term against their will? Do they think about the contributions the woman might have made or the changes her life could take by being forced to have a child she isn't ready for or is able to provide for? People talk about adoption like it's easy, but I doubt it is. I read an account of a woman who had given up a baby for as a teenager in a closed adoption and put it behind her. When the adopted child searched her out and contacted her without any consent, she was forced to tell her husband and children about what happened when she was a teenager. As well, many children from unplanned pregnancies end up in the foster system after the magical 2 year age, when all attempts at keeping the child with the birth mother fail.

Sorry for this rant, it's just unconscionable to me to damn all other possibilities with any unwanted pregnancy by forcing women to carry at all costs, raped or not.

31 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:47:40pm

re: #30 only_me

Sorry for this rant, it's just unconscionable to me to damn all other possibilities with any unwanted pregnancy by forcing women to carry at all costs, raped or not.

Don't be sorry for the rant. If there's a chance for people to become educated, it will come from hearing or reading real stories.

{{{only_me}}}

32 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:11:45pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Don't be sorry for the rant. If there's a chance for people to become educated, it will come from hearing or reading real stories.

{{{only_me}}}

Exactly. And all the Lizards who are still supporting these evil fuckers especially need to read these stories and realize that this shit does matter to women, all women, and shouldn't be rationalized away.


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