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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:28:29pm

"Bani Walid Delenda Est" seems to be the order of the day. It's not something I can like, but it might actually bear useful fruit. If you demolish a town and scatter its population, you at least eliminate it as a center of resistance while at the same time waring any other potential center of resistance of the price for crossing you badly. It's an ugly terror-based strategy, but it does have a fairly good chance at working.

2 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:40:32pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

This would be notable in history. The largest city to get the Carthage treatment since.....

actually, finding info on that is proving difficult. Probably the largest case in hundreds of years.

3 researchok  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:43:34pm

re: #2 ProGunLiberal

Can you give similar treatment to Syria? Or can you point me to a source of reliable information?

There is an enormous amount of conflicting information out there.

4 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:43:55pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

And while I see your point, I somehow doubt many of those people are thinking on that level.

Most are probably in "Rar! Revenge!" mode, what with how Bani Walid acted in the War, and after it as well. The fact they find 13 kidnapped people imprisoned in the city is probably going to get the victors even more ticked off.

And they were already up in the stratosphere. The anger level may well now have escaped the atmosphere.

5 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:48:04pm

re: #2 ProGunLiberal

This would be notable in history. The largest city to get the Carthage treatment since.....

actually, finding info on that is proving difficult. Probably the largest case in hundreds of years.

The Germans tried to do that to Warsaw after they put down the uprising there in 1944.

6 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:48:13pm

re: #3 researchok

Syria is horrifically confusing, horrifically messy conflict, and news is often hyper-contradictory.

By my count, I have heard about 5 different factions. The pro-Assad loyalists, the anti-Assad revolutionaries, the Kurds, the PKK Kurds, the Christians, and the radical Islamists.

There is collusion between radicals and the anti-government revolutionaries in some parts of Syria but not others. Most of these sides a attacking each other in one way or another.

Right now, Syria more resembles Lebanon during it's civil war, but with double the sides.

7 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:54:58pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

But it didn't work, did it? Cause Warsaw is still there, though it is STILL rebuilding today.

I think the last time it happened at this level was the Ottoman annihilation of First Saudi State's Capital, Diriyah. While it does exist today, it is a small town of no importance. Even worse than Carthage, as it did eventually recover during the Roman Republic and Roman Empire.

That city was destroyed in 1818 by Ottoman and Egyptian force after the fall of the first Saudi State in the Ottoman-Saudi War. These forces had seen the consequences of actions, which I would consider to be genocidal against various groups (particularly the Shia), and massive damage to both Mecca and Medina. When the Saud Family and their supporters, incited a riot, the occupiers decided that Diriyah was going away.

It was burned to the ground.

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 6:07:49pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

But it didn't work, did it? Cause Warsaw is still there, though it is STILL rebuilding today.

I think the last time it happened at this level was the Ottoman annihilation of First Saudi State's Capital, Diriyah. While it does exist today, it is a small town of no importance. Even worse than Carthage, as it did eventually recover during the Roman Republic and Roman Empire.

That city was destroyed in 1818 by Ottoman and Egyptian force after the fall of the first Saudi State in the Ottoman-Saudi War. These forces had seen the consequences of actions, which I would consider to be genocidal against various groups (particularly the Shia), and massive damage to both Mecca and Medina. When the Saud Family and their supporters, incited a riot, the occupiers decided that Diriyah was going away.

It was burned to the ground.

The House of Saud: Turning decent places to shit since America was young.

9 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 7:32:46pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

The Ottomans didn't fuck around with terrorists. They smashed the Saudi Family into the ground with such force that Wahhabism wouldn't be promoted again until the 1970's.

The Ottoman Empire had been dead and buried for 50 years by that time. If the Ottomans had Drones, I don't think the Saudi Royal Family would even exist.

And, having done research while I was not on here, I don't see war is necessary to end Saudi. The factors are already setting up to right the wrongs of the Saudis.

And I will not conflate the people of the "country" with that evil-family, or the other Quisling families who support them. I know too many good Saudis. Hell, I'm trying to convince a girl I know there (who went to OU) and her family to immigrate into the US, as she is of a form of Islam the primitive Saudi family doesn't like, and, for all of the anti-Islam idiots in the US, we are still very, very welcoming overall. Hell, if I had to, I would help with the paperwork.

10 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:03:45pm

re: #9 ProGunLiberal

The Ottomans didn't fuck around with terrorists. They smashed the Saudi Family into the ground with such force that Wahhabism wouldn't be promoted again until the 1970's.

The Ottoman Empire had been dead and buried for 50 years by that time. If the Ottomans had Drones, I don't think the Saudi Royal Family would even exist.

And, having done research while I was not on here, I don't see war is necessary to end Saudi. The factors are already setting up to right the wrongs of the Saudis.

And I will not conflate the people of the "country" with that evil-family, or the other Quisling families who support them. I know too many good Saudis. Hell, I'm trying to convince a girl I know there (who went to OU) and her family to immigrate into the US, as she is of a form of Islam the primitive Saudi family doesn't like, and, for all of the anti-Islam idiots in the US, we are still very, very welcoming overall. Hell, if I had to, I would help with the paperwork.

good on you, PLL.


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