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1 Destro  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 6:48:54am

The victim best hope she was raped outside the city limits if we base laws regarding what is or is not rape on religion:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 ESV

“If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

2 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 7:37:47am

Just make sure your rapists leaves cuts and bruises?

from the article above:

According to the Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network, 54 percent of rapes and sexual assaults are not reported to the police.

Lots of rapists are getting away with it.

I just told my fb friends to "roll their eyes all they want at another of my posts --IT COULD BE YOUR DAUGHTER."

3 nines09  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 8:18:19am

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4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 8:35:40am

The truth is that, like with abused women, the victim does not always behave the way that others (i.e. men) think they should.

Abused wives don't leave the first time they get hit. (Abused husbands, either, but that's another tale). They sometimes lie to cover up for their abuser. Lots of men don't get it: "If she's being abused, why doesn't she just leave?"*

Rape victims often go into a state of shock and denial. This is a routine part of human psychology, and should be taken into account when listening to a rape victim's account.

*Because, you moron, there is usually a death threat hanging over their head, and lots of tales in the newspaper of women who were killed.

5 lostlakehiker  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:38:05am

re: #1 Destro

The victim best hope she was raped outside the city limits if we base laws regarding what is or is not rape on religion:

There's a lot in Deuteronomy that isn't any sort of fit for modern life. The layout of cities back then was very dense. If a woman cried out, for sure she'd be heard and people would come running. Today's cities are not like that.

The rest of the passage in Deuteronomy goes on to give the woman the benefit of the doubt if whatever passed between the two happened out in the countryside. Because it may be that she cried out, and no one heard. So even then, even within that hardline text, there's more nuance than a first reading of part of the text suggests.

Nowadays, there's no such place as "within the city" as understood back then, short of the back row of seats on an airline that's full and in flight.


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