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1 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:46:51pm

Is PhotoShop a 'better' darkroom- or is there still no substitute for the original?

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:04:13pm

Better yet, to what extent should a photo be labeled shopped?

For example, The Princess's senior photos are mildly shopped. She had a zit on her face. I have no problem with this--the zit was transitory, and not really part of her normal face.

But what if the photographer agreed to make her nose smaller? Frankly, her nose is fine, but lots of girls would go for that. What about eye color? I can see that.

Before long you see a girl that isn't really there.

Photos should be labeled shopped when the item being changed is substantially changed, or if the image now shows something that is not true, like making a city appear to have more smoke rising from it than it really did, or a young woman who has no belly button.

My opinion. Label it, or let us know what planet the model came from, since on this earth, girls have rib cages, kneecaps, and belly buttons.

3 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:12:18pm

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh boy, have you hit a minefield.... Lots we can talk about here.

See this: Uniqueness And Intimate Imperfections

4 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:16:21pm

re: #1 researchok

Photoshop is faster and at least as powerful. More so really. But it's all rooted in the darkroom. Crop, dodge, burn, exposure are all PS features. Lightroom is a better comparison to the old darkroom if you can put up with the way it manages the files (yuck)

5 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:18:58pm

re: #4 Daniel Ballard

It's all magic to me- and I like that.

It affords me a sense of wonder, much like the graphic arts and sculpture

6 Randall Gross  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:26:01pm

re: #4 Daniel Ballard

Photoshop is faster and at least as powerful. More so really. But it's all rooted in the darkroom. Crop, dodge, burn, exposure are all PS features. Lightroom is a better comparison to the old darkroom if you can put up with the way it manages the files (yuck)

Yeah - I hate lightroom for that, but ... I'm working on some presets to overcome the limitations. I work like you do, I don't typically photoshop things except for fun ( the obligatory levitation photo & similar one shot experiments) most of my work gets white balance, contrast, and a bump up or down in exposure at most.

7 Aye Pod  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:59:08pm
From my perspective, when looking at art, it either speaks to me or it doesn’t. The method used to achieve the final product isn’t important.

I agree but would go further and add that the more manipulation has gone into the creation, the more credit is due to the artist. What Photoshop, Painter and their ilk do is give artists a way to impose their vision via a much greater multitude of means than was ever possible with a darkroom, and freedom from the constraints of material based media.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:10:29pm

re: #7 Aye Pod

I agree but would go further and add that the more manipulation has gone into the creation, the more credit is due to the artist. What Photoshop, Painter and their ilk do is give artists a way to impose their vision via a much greater multitude of means than was ever possible with a darkroom, and freedom from the constraints of material based media.

At what point is it no longer photograph, but some new art form?

Don't get me wrong--I'm open to a new art form, especially if it involves skill and creates beauty.

9 ckkatz  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:23:30am

It seems to me the importance of image manipulation, including Photoshop, depends upon the context. That is, what the image is presented as representing.

If the image is supposed to represent reality, say catalog merchandise, a "body image" that teen-age girl is supposed to emulate, or a news event; manipulating the image may constitute misrepresentation, deceit, or fraud.

If it is art, ie a personal interpretation of reality, manipulation is much more permissible. Nobody thinks (at least that I know of) that Chagall really saw the physically floating people he depicted in his work "The betrothed to the bird".

The author additionally makes three great points. First, that many famous film based pictures were manipulated by the photographers in the darkroom. Second, that all digital pictures go through processing before the image is written to memory by the camera. Third, that there are many processing techniques that do not change what is presented in the image. They only improve our ability to see and understand the image.


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