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1 Bob Levin  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:50:41pm

I last read that the factory manufactured drones for Iran.

2 Destro  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:52:25pm

By all means, let’s let Iran get the bomb. It will only promote peace in the region, right?

Weren't the right wing upset when Clinton bombed Sudan and it was claimed afterwards it was an aspirin factory?

Why should we trust people with your views, sliv, your neocon side has not gotten one foreign policy right in decades.

Now on to singing your national anthem:

3 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 12:57:12pm

re: #1 Bob Levin

There have been a number of conflicting stories about what type of armaments, in particular, were being assembled at the plant. The one thing that appears to be clear, however, is that at least some of the armaments, of whatever nature, were being shipped to the Gaza Strip so Hamas and its allied groups could continue targeting Israeli civilians with them.

4 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:08:44pm

re: #2 Destro

Fast and loose with the facts, as usual, Destro. The right wing was not upset with Pres. Clinton because the factory was later claimed by the Sudanese to be an aspirin plant. To the contrary, most of the criticism directed against Pres. Clinton at the time stemmed from the very convenient timing of the strike (see, e.g., Monica Lewinsky). Also, not all neo-cons opposed the strike or President Clinton's failed attempt to kill Osama bin Laden using cruise missiles (would that his timing was different by only a few hours).

With respect to your last question, the answer is simple. I put the information out there, and people can choose to agree or disagree based upon the substance of what I write and whether I can support my views honestly, objectively and factually. Those who have an honest disagreement and can back up their views honestly, objectively and factually are welcome to do so. They have and will continue to help inform and shape my own views.

Finally, as for whether my prescriptions on foreign affairs have been accurate or inaccurate "in decades", a matter as to which I am confident you have no actual knowledge, I am quite comfortable with my track record when it comes to analysis and prognostications on Middle Eastern affairs over the past 30 years. I am equally certain that the rhetoric you reflexively spew on the subject will not stand the test of time.

5 Destro  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 1:51:45pm

To the contrary, most of the criticism directed against Pres. Clinton at the time stemmed from the very convenient timing of the strike (see, e.g., Monica Lewinsky)

No, that was the trick the GOP used to make sure no one rallied around the president during a dangerous overseas military endeavor.

Yes, keep pushing the notion that the neocons you flak for have gotten foreign policy right. You are foreign policy FAILURES. Just like lowering taxes and deregulation did not cause the economy to grow. All fallacies we have been fed for decades that collapsed around us.

But the true believes keep on keeping on as if their policies worked. Stay classy, right wingers.

6 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:03:11pm

re: #5 Destro

To the contrary, most of the criticism directed against Pres. Clinton at the time stemmed from the very convenient timing of the strike (see, e.g., Monica Lewinsky)

No, that was the trick the GOP used to make sure no one rallied around the president during a dangerous overseas military endeavor.

I am not sure what you are referring to. Do you mean that Monica Lewinsky was a set-up directed by the GOP against President Clinton or that the accusation that the timing of the strike was "convenient" was designed to prevent people from rallying around the president during a dangerous overseas military endeavor? If the former, please seek professional help. If the latter, your assertion is, to say the least, factually challenged. For starters, the GOP hacks attacked Clinton for the timing of the attack before without regard to (and even before) the Sudanese claim that the plant was an aspirin factory. Second, there was no "dangerous overseas military endeavor" involved; the plant was bombed by cruise missiles fired by one or more US Navy submarines.

But, again, we should trust your knee jerk and ad hominem generalities rather than those who have command of actual facts. Right?

Oh, well. Time to stop playing. You may have the sandbox to yourself for a while.

7 researchok  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 2:06:35pm

It never ceases to amaze with which a regime (Hamas) which has made clear her genocidal intentions claims outrage when Israel defends herself.

They want the impunity to attack Israel at will and then express outrage at the inevitable retaliation.

8 Bob Levin  Fri, Oct 26, 2012 3:33:45pm

re: #4 sliv_the_eli

will not stand the test of time.

Test of time being defined as one week.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 27, 2012 8:21:26am

re: #2 Destro

GAZE

Please folks, don't feed the troll.

10 EiMitch  Sat, Oct 27, 2012 11:47:27am

re: #2 Destro

McCain singing "Bomb Iran"? That's your idea of being a smartass? I would've gone with "America (F*** Yeah)" if I were you.

As for this discussion, its not impressive. Are you arguing against strikes on Sudanese weapon factories/warehouses/etc because over a decade ago, something something, Clinton's sex scandal, etc.? Really? Nothing about potential escalation, retaliation, or other blow-back? Nothing about civilian lives, human rights, international law? Nothing relevant to today? You're going with Monica Lewinsky? Weak, Destro. Very weak.

Switch to decaf. The stuff is messing with your head.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 27, 2012 2:57:21pm

re: #2 Destro

Weren't the right wing upset when Clinton bombed Sudan and it was claimed afterwards it was an aspirin factory?

I seem to recall the left was also pretty upset about that. Somehow.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 27, 2012 2:59:50pm

Right-wing nuts report on al-Shifa.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

13 Rochi613  Sat, Oct 27, 2012 4:20:08pm

The flames in Khartoum were visible in Tehran. This was also a message to Iran about how far Israel can and is willing to travel to do damage to an enemy.


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