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1 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 8:48:54pm

I'm -5, -5.
Your turn.

2 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 9:06:45pm

Ok, it looks like people are shy.

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 9:09:11pm

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

I always hover somewhere in the upper right of the left/libertarian range.

4 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 9:13:08pm

Okay I took the test.


Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

5 freetoken  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 9:50:19pm

I landed at:
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Which puts me right on top of Nelson Mandela.

I do believe there is quite a bit of artificial choices in these tests, such as:

Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries.

Which doesn't really have a yes or no kind of answer as there are so many companies, large and small, that use genetic resources of so many nations, trying to generalize over this issue is misleading.

Much more telling would be to give specific examples, such as from court cases, and ask the participant to judge the case to favor one side or another.

I also think that ultimately trying to divide up one's views into this two dimensional structure can't truly represent the complexity of humanity.

Finally, I notice all of us so far are ending up in the lower left corner. Is this evidence of group selection?

6 freetoken  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:00:47pm

Did anyone else notice how incredibly close Obama and Romney are on that chart?

7 EiMitch  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:17:50pm

re: #6 freetoken

Which Romney?

8 sliv_the_eli  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:37:22pm

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.31

Not sure who should be more shocked at falling near the other person's place on the graph - Nelson Mandela or me.

9 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 28, 2012 10:43:11pm

Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

10 palomino  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 12:49:38am

Econ -3.8
Social -5.3

I guess that makes me French or something.

11 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 12:52:16am

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

12 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 12:55:39am

re: #5 freetoken

Pretty close match on our scores.

Finally, I notice all of us so far are ending up in the lower left corner. Is this evidence of group selection?

Yes.
But only because Moonbats and Wingnuts are just plain annoying to talk to if you aren't one of them.

13 researchok  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 1:07:43am

Myscores

Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26

14 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 1:14:54am

Heh, I took the test a few years back, Not much seems to have changed; I'm in almost the same spot as SFZ.

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
View Chart

I'm kinda surprised no one is outside the "green zone" yet. So far we're mostly clustered up in the upper right quadrant of the green Left/Libertarian zone, which basically seems to make us primarily center-left.

Interesting, especially considering how much we fight with each other! The people who like to portray some of us as raving moonbats are going to have a sad. //

15 Bob Levin  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:13:39am

Francois Hollande. However, answering most of the questions felt like I was trying to jam a round peg into a square hole.

16 Bob Levin  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 4:55:30am

I didn't notice a little red blip for Marcuse and Horkheimer--who would find the test itself as an exercise in fascism. But hey, I gave into the Man for five minutes. That would put me with Adorno. A little dry Marxist humor there.

17 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:13:18am

The questions are far, far too limited. I'm far more authoritarian than this test would have you believe.

Really, I agree with freetoken-- a 2D test can't measure much.

One thing I think can't be captured by a thing like this is the end result of these ideals. For example, I support single payer health care not because I think we have an obligation to each other to help each other when we're sick or injured, but because it's simply the most practical and inexpensive way of going about it. So what should I answer to the idea that people who can pay more should get a higher level of care? There's nowhere on earth that doesn't allow some private add-on to the medical system-- private rooms, home health aides, etc. But I don't think that those who can pay more should be higher up on the the transplant list, for example.

However, my results: I'm a commie. A libertarian Commie.

Economic Left/Right: -9.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49

Anyway, I believe the main purpose of this test is to tell people they're libertarians.

18 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:19:10am

re: #14 CuriousLurker

I'm hereby revealed as the raving moonbat. Which doesn't really line up with the actual way I behave, of course.

These questions are at least though-provoking, but they're even semantically difficult. Like the one about the commie slogan, about "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need". I honestly think that if we could magically have that happening, people would be very happy. Not even so much from the 'from each according to their need' but the 'to each according to their ability' part. I think if people really had jobs that used their abilities and they felt needed and part of society an' ting, that they'd be much happier than the current "Get educated, realize you actually want to do something else, try mid-career transition, get stuck in job that pays the bills but doesn't fulfill" mode.

But the test just asks me if I 'Fundamentally' agree with it, not if I think it's, oh, at all a practical reality. It's not. We can't create a society where that happens, it's not possible. It'd take omniscience and prescience.

19 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:20:17am

re: #17 Obdicut

However, my results: I'm a commie. A libertarian Commie.

LOL

Anyway, I believe the main purpose of this test is to tell people they're libertarians.

Hmm, that never occurred to me. Thanks.

20 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:22:08am

re: #18 Obdicut

Like the one about the commie slogan, about "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".

I had no idea that was a commie slogan.

21 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:24:15am

re: #18 Obdicut

I'm hereby revealed as the raving moonbat. Which doesn't really line up with the actual way I behave, of course.

These questions are at least though-provoking, but they're even semantically difficult. Like the one about the commie slogan, about "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need". I honestly think that if we could magically have that happening, people would be very happy. Not even so much from the 'to each according to their need' but the 'to each according to their ability' part. I think if people really had jobs that used their abilities and they felt needed and part of society an' ting, that they'd be much happier than the current "Get educated, realize you actually want to do something else, try mid-career transition, get stuck in job that pays the bills but doesn't fulfill" mode.

But the test just asks me if I 'Fundamentally' agree with it, not if I think it's, oh, at all a practical reality. It's not. We can't create a society where that happens, it's not possible. It'd take omniscience and prescience.

If you buy into that you could be a Marxist. Or a Medieval Benedictine. Or a Hutterite.

(Sounds like a test I did a while back. Halfway between Mao and Gandhi on that one.)

22 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:31:22am

I'd like a very simple binary test:

"Do you think that your political ideals should be enacted wholesale, or do you think that, given that other people have different ideals, some form of compromise that allows a large portion of society to believe in and connect to their society and government is necessary?"

A lot of people's political positions kind of inherently imply that 99% of the society has to fervently believe in them, or the whole thing will be crapped up by the minority of the severely disaffected.


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