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1 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 7:34:59am

Does anyone have any idea what this is in aid of? I thought he was just getting Obama's attention earlier, but they seemed to have communicated, and matters died down. Iran knows Israel will strike if they need to, so does everyone else, and Israel doesn't usually telegraph this sort of thing if they actually intend to do something about it.

Is this just posturing ahead of the elections next year? What's he doing?

2 Rochi613  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:53am

While it's not polite to be awake when everyone else is sleeping, I think Israel has a way more realistic picture of Islamic insanity than the U.S. Israel may need to take care of Iran even without U.S. permission because U.S. permission may be withheld for reasons of America's perspectives. If Israel strikes, it will be for no other reason than necessity.

3 ckkatz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:35am

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

Some possibilities, which are not mutually exclusive, include:

1. Need for more attention/publicity.
2. Desire for making an issue his own and running with it/controlling it/owning it.
3. He actually believes that this is _the_ critical issue Israel is facing.

One big negative is that the issue will begin to be directly tied to him. Which could cause others to back away from supporting an otherwise important position. That is, it could become a polarizing rather than uniting issue. I suspect that after his UN appearance, he became quieter on the issue in an attempt to forestall that close association.

And of course, the timing of both the Netanyahu interview, and the New York Times article could be seen to have US directed political overtones.

That, of course, is important as the US is a major ally of Israel. Being a leader who can influence this critical ally in Israel's favor is a major positive, while being one who inflames the relationship would be seen as a kiss of political death.

4 Gus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:32am

re: #2 Rochi613

While it's not polite to be awake when everyone else is sleeping, I think Israel has a way more realistic picture of Islamic insanity than the U.S. Israel may need to take care of Iran even without U.S. permission because U.S. permission may be withheld for reasons of America's perspectives. If Israel strikes, it will be for no other reason than necessity.

Islamic insanity? Might want to check your tone here.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:42am

re: #3 ckkatz

One big negative is that the issue will begin to be directly tied to him. Which could cause others to back away from supporting an otherwise important position. That is, it could become a polarizing rather than uniting issue. I suspect that after his UN appearance, he became quieter on the issue in an attempt to forestall that close association.

And of course, the timing of both the Netanyahu interview, and the New York Times article could be seen to have US directed political overtones.

This is my biggest concern. This is a HUGE and multifaceted problem, and I'm concerned that it's becoming the 'Bibi has a bee in his bonnet' issue. It becomes very easy for people to dismiss at that point.

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:23am

re: #2 Rochi613

Not cool.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:25am

re: #2 Rochi613

While it's not polite to be awake when everyone else is sleeping, I think Israel has a way more realistic picture of Islamic insanity than the U.S. Israel may need to take care of Iran even without U.S. permission because U.S. permission may be withheld for reasons of America's perspectives. If Israel strikes, it will be for no other reason than necessity.

Evidence seems to be, though, that most of the Israeli leadership is holding back on a strike, and being cautiously optimistic that the current combination of sanctions and discreet sabotage will hold the line for at least a while. I don't buy the "Netanyahu is the only person in the universe who's noticed this is an issue" concept. Is he just standing up to be the representative voice?

And even if so, what's the point? Israel will do what they decide is best, or least risky, and I'm pretty sure that whatever they tell the U.S. will come through other channels than Bibi talking big.

8 Bob Levin  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:28am

Totally related to the upcoming election. Nothing more. I'll post a headline from Ynet--and not link to the article because, it's election crappe.

'Obama may intervene in Israel elections'

So, I'd say Israel will be preoccupied with their upcoming elections rugby scrum.

Fortunately, it's a short season.

9 ckkatz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 1:03:06pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree that it is indeed a huge and multifaceted problem.

Because the many possible consequences of such an attack, it is critical that there be reasonable buy-off by those affected. In open societies, this is typically done through public debate.

One standard counter-argument will always be that the problem is the proponent rather than the situation. There are several flavors/twists to this argument. And some times they are correct.

The response is to show convincingly (ie factually) that the problem exists and is separate from the proponent. (That is, Netanyahu.) Obviously, a failure to carefully verify the facts can also affect the outcome.

In this particular case, the facts, as I understand them, justify the debate.

10 Flavia  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:21:49pm

re: #2 Rochi613

While it's not polite to be awake when everyone else is sleeping, I think Israel has a way more realistic picture of Islamic insanity than the U.S. Israel may need to take care of Iran even without U.S. permission because U.S. permission may be withheld for reasons of America's perspectives. If Israel strikes, it will be for no other reason than necessity.

I agreed with what you said, with the proviso that you don't mean "Islamic insanity" the way that it sounded. My preferred phrase is "evil terroristic pseudo Muslims."


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