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1 TDG2112  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:47:11am

This is excellent news. It is a pity we stopped going back in the 70s and now have to get back into practice again before we can go where no man has gone before. But this will still expand human frontiers for the people like Elon Musk to follow into and find a way to make directly profitable and practical.

The thing that strikes me was in the last presidential debate Obama channeled NdGT for his closing comments when he talked about the kinds of jobs America should be pursuing for the future. High tech science and engineering is where he wants us to go. He didn't say anything about how to get there (most politicians just say train teachers, put more computers in the classroom), but perhaps he talked with Dr. Tyson or something.

I can always hope, can't I? I can certainly hope he points to Neal and gets him out front to explain this.

2 philosophus invidius  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:54:04am

Let's go back to ... 1969?

3 TDG2112  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:05:13am

re: #2 Euesperides invidius

I know, that was much of the criticism of Bush's plan for the moon. However, if we wish to move beyond the moon, we need to make sure we have everything working, as well as work out the bugs. The Saturn V is dead. The tools for its manufacture have been destroyed. We are rebuilding a deep space rocket from scratch.

And the fact is, this is actually going past '69 from what I'm reading. There are some clear Mile stones they are setting down from an Engineering point of view and getting us to an Asteroid and then Mars.

We'll have to wait and see what they reveal. But if we have to go to Point B (moon) in order to get to Point C (Mars), then nobody should be complaining about going to the Moon again.

4 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:16:42am

re: #3 TDG2112
The Saturn 5 is dead, thats true. But the tooling for it is no more non existent than the tooling we have not made yet for the engine we have not built yet for the rocket that has not been designed let alone built yet...

Saturn 5 works. The shuttle and newer designs have about the same engine from stage 2 of Apollo. They just added throttling and some horsepower.

Starting over darn near from the paint on up is a contractors dream and a pragmatic mans nightmare.

5 philosophus invidius  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:12pm

Manned spaceflight = welfare for the military contractors.

6 Randall Gross  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 4:11:11am

Better they conquer space than other nations then I say.

Seriously it's a pretty closed vision of our future if you disallow exploring and inhabiting space. We need to ensure our survival by expanding the ecosystem we inhabit, and if we can't live in space and on other planets then we are destined for doom much sooner than necessary.


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