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1 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:38:55pm

Work to get rid of the machines that are more opague than Scantrons. It doesn't matter if they're honest if you can't prove they're honest. Our precinct was able to vote 8000 people with 30 poll workers in a long day using a double-side ballot and 3 Scantrons in a big basketball court.

2 margotdarby  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:28:36pm

I don't like Scantrons, I don't like anything electronic that doesn't have a paper or punchcard trail. Was there anything *wrong* with paper ballots or punchcards? (I don't want to hear about hanging chads.)

3 Bob Dillon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:35:53pm

A comment from one retired attorney in our CA community:

As some of you may know I went to Tampa, Florida as part of a nationwide team of Voter Protection Attorneys ("Victory Counsel") who volunteered to act as poll watchers in the states knowN for voting rights suppression. My 5 days, up to and including election day, in the main Florida "Obama for America" office, as well on the "front lines" at the polls, was an extraordinary experience. Rather than share it one-at-a-time with those of you who might be interested, by this email I'm seeking to determine how many would be interested in attending an event where I could share all it via a "show-and-tell".
(As for a title for the event, I'm stuck between "Florida election
follies" and "Florida cheats".) Let me know your thoughts so we'll know whether it should be scheduled in a phone booth ( remember those?) or a real meeting room?
Still Fired Up...and still Ready to Go,

4 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:22:25pm

re: #2 margotdarby

I don't like Scantrons, I don't like anything electronic that doesn't have a paper or punchcard trail. Was there anything *wrong* with paper ballots or punchcards? (I don't want to hear about hanging chads.)

I agree. Paper is the best way.

5 Destro  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:25:51pm

re: #1 Decatur Deb

I guess I am accusing the GOP of a criminal conspiracy to deny voting rights via use of various means camouflaged as voter fraud prevention.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:31:01am

re: #2 margotdarby

I don't like Scantrons, I don't like anything electronic that doesn't have a paper or punchcard trail. Was there anything *wrong* with paper ballots or punchcards? (I don't want to hear about hanging chads.)

Scantrons have a paper trail, you've got the actual form itself. At least the way we do it here, you ink in your choices, then they feed it through the machine. Now, is the machine counting correctly? Dunno. Are the poll workers marking down the paper ballots correctly? Dunno that either. But the only way I can think of that has NO problems in that direction is the way they used to do it in small rural towns at the turn of the nineteenth century, where each eligible voter would get up and announce his vote publicly to the town officials. Hard to do nowadays.

The problem is that I suspect that there is not one single conspiracy to commit voter suppression that could be traced back to one office somewhere, but instead, a broad series of efforts, some legal, some not, some minor, some major, some coordinated, some spontaneous, to skew the count. Sorting it out will probably not be as simple as a single large investigation, and the intensely partisan nature of responses to this issue won't make it any easier. (Is a single Republican trying to vote twice symptomatic of a larger problem? Is a single Democrat? I'll stand over here and not get blood on my shoes while you decide.)

That said, I think there should be investigations ongoing into, at least, some of the larger and more insane attempts at voter suppression that cropped up this year.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:31:31am

And Bob, I would be very interested to hear what your lawyer friend has to say.

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