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1 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:35:54pm
Although Republican Mitt Romney lost an easily winnable election

This election was in NO WAY easily winnable for the Republicans! They didn't get it when Obama won the first time and they still don't!

2 Skip Intro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:38:14pm
Dick Morris says, they should be held accountable.

He did? Where? When? All I've seen Morris do is to see if he can backtrack and obfuscate faster than the master, Karl Rove.

3 Tigger2  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:44:32pm

Fox News is also taking a beating by some of the posters at Red State and Free Republic.

4 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:39:32pm

re: #3 Tigger2

Fox News is also taking a beating by some of the posters at Red State and Free Republic.

Because Fox News told them exactly what they wanted to hear, to keep them happy and watching Fox News. If Fox News had told the unvarnished truth (assuming it could), the base would go ballistic and accuse the network of selling out to the Obama Machine, or some such nonsense.

As the token liberal, Williams was allowed the tell the truth, just so the viewers could ridicule him for saying such "liberal nonsense."

I'm hard pressed to say whether Fox News was aware Romney hadn't a chance, and lied about it to the viewers, or if FN really is as clueless as it appears to be.

5 aagcobb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:16:52pm
Generally speaking, they thought Republicans were more excited about Romney than Democrats were about Obama. This turned out to be a fatal miscalculation.

Despite the supposed enthusiasm for voting against Obama on the Right, Romney managed to garner more than a million fewer voters than McCain did. Obama also had nearly 8 million fewer votes, but still beat Romney by over 3 million votes. Apparently most of that loss was in white votes, because the Romney campaign was shocked by the level of minority turnout. The GOP thought Romney would win because GOP enthusiasm was high, he was doing well with independents and they thought democrats were being oversampled. But the reality was that the democratic advantage was real, the GOP had shrunk, and his support with independents was in part illusory due to many independents being former republicans who were still inclined to vote GOP. I think because the economy was doing OK, Obama wasn't as exciting anymore, and Romney was a bad candidate from a party which has become toxic, a lot of whites weren't that motivated to vote, while I would think minorities were plenty motivated by the assault the GOP has made against them the last few years.

Anyone else notice that Romney's percentage of the vote was, ironically, about 47%? The GOP's troubles on the national stage go back 20 years and are only getting worse as the nation's demographics change. The GOP's percentage of the vote in presidential elections has been below 48% in five of the last six presidential elections. In contrast, the Democrats have exceeded 48% of the vote for five consecutive elections. Romney wasn't even able to match the vote total of his fellow Massachusetts elitist, John Kerry.

6 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 3:34:07am

re: #4 wheat-dogghazi

Because Fox News told them exactly what they wanted to hear, to keep them happy and watching Fox News. If Fox News had told the unvarnished truth (assuming it could), the base would go ballistic and accuse the network of selling out to the Obama Machine, or some such nonsense.

As the token liberal, Williams was allowed the tell the truth, just so the viewers could ridicule him for saying such "liberal nonsense."

I'm hard pressed to say whether Fox News was aware Romney hadn't a chance, and lied about it to the viewers, or if FN really is as clueless as it appears to be.

As the token liberal, Williams was allowed the tell the truth, just so the viewers could ridicule him for saying such "liberal nonsense."

Not a very well thought out plan in this case, In this case the viewers saw the Dem on fox telling them the truth and the Republicans on Fox lying to them. I sure hope there are a lot of Fox viewers that have had their eyes opened by that fiasco.

7 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:37:08am

re: #6 Tigger2

As the token liberal, Williams was allowed the tell the truth, just so the viewers could ridicule him for saying such "liberal nonsense."

Not a very well thought out plan in this case, In this case the viewers saw the Dem on fox telling them the truth and the Republicans on Fox lying to them. I sure hope there are a lot of Fox viewers that have had their eyes opened by that fiasco.

No. People take a long time letting go of opinions regardless how wrong they're shown to be. In fact, iirc there is a tendency among people who tend to be conservative to cling harder when shown to be wrong.

FN will be bashed a bit but will continue to be the conservative's media of choice.

8 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:55:24am

re: #6 Tigger2

As the token liberal, Williams was allowed the tell the truth, just so the viewers could ridicule him for saying such "liberal nonsense."

Not a very well thought out plan in this case, In this case the viewers saw the Dem on fox telling them the truth and the Republicans on Fox lying to them. I sure hope there are a lot of Fox viewers that have had their eyes opened by that fiasco.

Maybe. The fact that Karl Rove had to be slapped down by Megyn Kelly after questioning the network's calling of Ohio for Obama may prompt some standard setting by FNC. Doesn't mean they won't push BS, but they may start to order the on-air BS dialed back, since they don't want it hitting their numbers crunchers, statisticians, and researchers (even at FNC, those functions are kept apolitical, since calling a state wrong is a very serious matter for a news network).

9 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:01:08am

Could happen.

10 Charleston Chew  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:31:18am

re: #1 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate

This election was in NO WAY easily winnable for the Republicans! They didn't get it when Obama won the first time and they still don't!

This was an important part of conservative mythology. To admit that beating the President was anything but easy would be to show him some respect, and the psychology that insists on imagining the POTUS as a "boy" (at best) can't do that.

11 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:06:34am

Remember, people who live in an echo chamber, tend to hold onto their beliefs more strongly when confronted with evidence to the contrary. I fully expect the people in the echo chamber to double down.

I'm not sure what it will take to break them free of the echo chamber. maybe never? Maybe 20 years from now, there will still be 40 million people convinced. Lord knows there's enough people convinced that evolution is a lie.

12 JABaker  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:13:11am

They didn't notice that Democrats and some independents were even more excited about Romney then Republicans were. As a result they totally missed the ABR vote.


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