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1 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:22:48am

Norquist is simply un-American, if not anti-American.

2 calochortus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:24:09am

In my active fantasy life I see a bunch of Republicans who have signed Norquist's pledge going to him en masse and saying they've realized it is a bad idea and that he should just go find another hobby. I'll bet the sky wouldn't fall.

3 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:35:47am

re: #1 Cap'n Magic

Norquist is simply un-American, if not anti-American.

+1

Fuck Norquist. He wants all the benefits of living in this country but he doesn't want to pay for it. Greedy, soulless bastard.

4 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:38:38am

Bill Kristol doesn't seem to agree with Norquist, do I see cracks forming.

WASHINGTON -- Conservative commentator and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Sunday the Republican Party should accept new ideas, including the much-criticized suggestion by Democrats that taxes be allowed to go up on the wealthy.

"It won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires," he said on "Fox News Sunday." "It really won't, I don't think. I don't really understand why Republicans don't take Obama's offer."


[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:40:15am

re: #2 calochortus

In my active fantasy life I see a bunch of Republicans who have signed Norquist's pledge going to him en masse and saying they've realized it is a bad idea and that he should just go find another hobby. I'll bet the sky wouldn't fall.

Sadly, the last House GOP person to do that was Allan West. West's defeat is liable to make Republicans even more antsy about crossing "Grover the Gozarian". The GOP leads the political equivalent of a god.

6 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:45:04am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, the last House GOP person to do that was Allan West. West's defeat is liable to make Republicans even more antsy about crossing "Grover the Gozarian". The GOP leads the political equivalent of a god.

Really Obama doesn't need any Republicans to help with the raising of taxes, all he has to do is sit back and watch the tax cuts expire.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:48:53am

re: #6 Tigger2

Really Obama doesn't need any Republicans to help with the raising of taxes, all he has to do is sit back and watch the tax cuts expire.

And some in the GOP are saying that should be accepted, rather than make a bad deal. The odds of sequestration going into effect are fairly good.

8 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:51:03am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And some in the GOP are saying that should be accepted, rather than make a bad deal. The odds of sequestration going into effect are fairly good.

Let's do it then, because Financial Cliff is really just a bump in the road.
I am really sick of the Republicans holding the middle class hostage for Norquest and a few people at the top.

9 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:53:03am

re: #4 Tigger2

Ummm New Idea?! All anyone is talking about is a return to Clinton Admin tax rates that still reflect the cuts of Reagan and then the increase from HW Bush.

Did Bill hit his head and forget everything from 2001 on?

10 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:57:16am

re: #9 Daniel Ballard

Ummm New Idea?! All anyone is talking about is a return to Clinton Admin tax rates that still reflect the cuts of Reagan and then the increase from HW Bush.

Did Bill hit his head and forget everything from 2001 on?

We know that, they don't seem to remember. lol

11 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:20:09am

re: #6 Tigger2

There is a risk that letting sequestration happen could make an upcoming recessionn even worse-and the Grand Bargain rhetoric is heating up.

If Obama really wants to get The Grand Bargain rammed through, he ought to at least nominate Warren as Secretary of the Treasury as a prerequisite. The resulting shitstorm would be breathtaking.

12 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:33:26am

re: #11 Cap'n Magic

There is a risk that letting sequestration happen could make an upcoming recessionn even worse-and the Grand Bargain rhetoric is heating up.

If Obama really wants to get The Grand Bargain rammed through, he ought to at least nominate Warren as Secretary of the Treasury as a prerequisite. The resulting shitstorm would be breathtaking.

The sequestration wont happen, there is time to stop it even if they let the tax cuts to expire.

13 calochortus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:14:51am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, the last House GOP person to do that was Allan West. West's defeat is liable to make Republicans even more antsy about crossing "Grover the Gozarian". The GOP leads the political equivalent of a god.

That is why it needs to be a good sized bloc of Republicans. Safety in numbers.

14 calochortus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:25:06am

I just found this from May The relevant portion:

West joins Wisconsin Congressman Reid Ribble, a fellow signee of the pledge, in speaking out against it. And Scott Rigell, of Virginia, who changed his mind and said he could no longer abide by it. Also: Jeff Fortenberry, of Nebraska, who flat-out refused to sign the pledge last year and explained in a recent interview that he wasn’t opposed to increasing certain taxes. “Removing special-interest loopholes,” Fortenberry told the American Conservative, ”could potentially increase revenues and allow for lower rates.”

All three except West were reelected.

15 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:50:03am
West joins Wisconsin Congressman Reid Ribble, a fellow signee of the pledge, in speaking out against it.

West opposing it surprises me. I'll raise my opinion of him a tiny bit for that.

I wonder if that's what made the difference in the vote that caused him to lose?

16 calochortus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:06:13pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Yeah, I think a tiny bit better of West as well. I have no idea why he lost, though, or whether it made a difference.

17 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:12:05pm

Is Boehner prepared to make any concessions at all?

18 EiMitch  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:45:27pm

Below, I have copied-&-pasted from a couple of my comments on another page:

...

I say we use the threat of being trounced in the mid-terms to break the party-of-no's resolve. Romney's staggering defeat burst a huge bubble. We just need keep the pressure up about how republicans keep blocking and filibustering everything that doesn't go 100% their way. We have to publicly hammer them for their obstructionism like never before.

And most of all, get this s*** on youtube. The 1%ers wanted SuperPACs. I say we make 'em choke on SuperPAC funded negative ads. Poetic f***ing justice.

...

Gerrymandering, shmerrymandering. They can lose the house in 2014 if we make their obstructionism the #1 topic in political discourse and keep it there. Add to that their cutting of social welfare benefits while refusing to increase taxes on mega-corporations which ship jobs overseas, and you've got the perfect hard, sticky mud to sling at them.

The GOP swears fealty to that out-of-touch ideologue Norquist because he holds their campaign purse-strings. But republican senator Lisa Murkowski proved resisting Norquist is not impossible in Alaska. Alaska! Sarah Palin's f***ing turf. Force those congressmen to choose between Norquist and being electable, and they'll drop him and his "pledge" like an obnoxious first-date.

19 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:58:49pm

re: #17 philosophus invidius

Is Boehner prepared to make any concessions at all?

No. In a war against evil there can be no compromise. Rohan and Gondor conceded nothing to Sauron.

This is the TPGOP's belief. If they concede even an inch of ground, evil wins and darkness will cover the Earth forever.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 3:01:38pm

re: #17 philosophus invidius

Is Boehner prepared to make any concessions at all?

Yes, but he's playing what he'd concede close to the vest to avoid having the talk show hosts sic their winged monkeys on him.


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