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1 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:23:21pm
She also singled out another developer who is African-American and “who has a 96 percent chance of being an Obama voter

Romney had black people working for him? The traitor!

2 jvic  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:50:51pm

Catherine Ann Fitzpatrick's post is here. Her bio is here.

Is she conservative, liberal, or lost in space? I'll take Door #3.

3 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:03:48pm

Now this sounds exactly like what the Romney we all grew to love would do, so I'm going to say it's true because it fits my preconceived notions of Romney (I'm trying to reach my inner RWNJ).

The rumor in some tech lists is that the Romney campaign outsourced the development of Orca to Avanade, a branch of Accenture, which is heavy in the use of developers in India, China, the Philippines, Spain, Morocco, Argentina and Slovakia.

4 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:47:24pm

If you can handle the truthiness, check out Freep's current 200 comment post on Orca. Distillate of Derp.

5 catfitz56  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:56:03pm

It's taken me two days of asking questions about this repeatedly, but I have finally heard back today from Sean Gallagher of Ars Technica, who has done some of the best tech reporting on this story, that Targeted Victory, the consulting firm retained to do some of Romney's social media and ap work, is NOT the firm that coded this ORCA mess -- they only covered other digital projects. He hasn't put this on his blog yet -- these techies seem to want to protect their own tribe -- but I await others who can report this out better.

No, Targeted Victory which I wrote about is only the firm that worked on the failed VP ap -- remember that one that was supposed to reach us all first with the news of the selection of Romney's VP, and didn't, because the mainstream media got it first? Er, maybe that was a content not a technical problem, but I still think I'm right to ask why Al Gore's dev was on Romney's ap jobs. Was there really just too much outsourcing on this campaign?

Now, that leaves the question still open of who *did* work on ORCA. There were rumours that it was Accenture, which outsourced it further to an Indian firm, Asinade. I checked with Asinade today and they gave me a public denial today on Twitter.

So we don't know WHO coded and tested/didn't test that software. It's not enough to pillory Dan Centinello ([Link: dancentinello.com...] or to keep going back to Zak Moffat who keeps saying his numbers were all good and he didn't oversee ORCA (why? if it was the digital director?) I repeatedly ask about who was on the geek squad because that really makes or breaks any operation.

It's like it pays to do due diligence about who your hovering water bearers are at a fund-raising luncheon where you talk about the 47%, because one of them might be filming you from behind the water carafe.

6 catfitz56  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:59:57pm

re: #2 jvic

I'm liberal but not progressive. What are you? Just rude?

I voted for Obama the first time, and voted for Romney in this election as I don't believe in throwing my vote away to third-party candidates or writing in Gorbachev.

7 catfitz56  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:00:51pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

I think it's ok to ask whether the people on Romney's campaign were really backing him. I think it's ok to ask why Al Gore's dev was on this job and where Obama voters fit in. That's ok to do.

I don't believe Romney would have won even if ORCA hadn't failed.

8 jvic  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:28:21pm

re: #6 catfitz56

I'm liberal but not progressive. What are you? Just rude?

I voted for Obama the first time, and voted for Romney in this election as I don't believe in throwing my vote away to third-party candidates or writing in Gorbachev.

My point was that the person who made the racial "96%" comment is not necessarily a conservative. Apparently catfitz56 has validated it. (As of this writing, the link in catfitz56's username points to Catherine Ann Fitzpatrick's blog.)

9 catfitz56  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:33:37pm

Saying that a black person has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter is not a racialist comment; it's a statement of the facts of life. Nearly all blacks voted for Obama.

It's ok to ask if Obama voters who code for Romney are really going to go the distance for Romney.

I'm a registered Democrat and voted for Obama the first time. I don't think I would have voted for Howard Cain. I didn't vote for Obama the second time for reasons you can read up about on my blogs.

10 PeterWolf  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:26:23am

I am amused at the wanting to blame so many things, rather than two simple realities. One, Romney was not a great candidate and his campaign was not that great and two, Obama was the preferred option for a majority of voters and the electoral college. Game over.

Why do people even begin to think Romney was going to, should have, or even could have, won?

11 andres  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:54:27am

re: #9 catfitz56

Saying that a black person has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter is not a racialist comment; it's a statement of the facts of life. Nearly all blacks voted for Obama.

It's a racism-charged comment at the very least. They are singling out one guy who is African American, and saying he's obviously an Obama supporter. They can't say he's a n...ear, so they go with the next best.

It's ok to ask if Obama voters who code for Romney are really going to go the distance for Romney.

Because, you know, work ethics? One thing is to actively campaign for the guy, another is to work for him. If you do a good enough job, it will attract other (hopefully) better paying jobs.

Then, if this was the real problem, it's a failure on whoever chose this team to work on ORCA. There's a reason to verify references first, not after the fact.

Besides, not everyone is an obstructive ass*** willing to sabotage everything to win an election.

12 andres  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:55:41am

re: #10 PeterWolf

I am amused at the wanting to blame so many things, rather than two simple realities. One, Romney was not a great candidate and his campaign was not that great and two, Obama was the preferred option for a majority of voters and the electoral college. Game over.

Why do people even begin to think Romney was going to, should have, or even could have, won?

Romney could have won, I have no doubt. He just ran one of the worst campaigns I've seen.

13 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:03:04am

re: #9 catfitz56

Saying that a black person has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter is not a racialist comment; it's a statement of the facts of life. Nearly all blacks voted for Obama.
.

What percentage of blacks who work for a company that does business only with Republicans are Obama voters?

[Link: www.targetedvictory.com...]

14 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:18:46am

re: #9 catfitz56

Saying that a black person has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter is not a racialist comment; it's a statement of the facts of life. Nearly all blacks voted for Obama.

It's not a 'racialist' comment. It is a racist comment. You're looking at the person's skin, not who they are, where they work, or what they believe.

15 catfitz56  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:42:21am

@PeterWolf, @andre @wrenchwench

No, it's not a racist comment. I'm not for hiring or firing people in political campaigns (the only job I'm talking about here) on the basis of race; I'm for recognizing the harsh reality that people from your own political persuasion have to be hired if you want to do a good job.

While many of you are idealistic and pious about this, those in the industry at least get the fact that they can't force people who don't like Romney to make apps for Romney:

[Link: 3dblogger.typepad.com...]

I'm not the one to blame for the harsh political fact that 96% of blacks voted for Obama. That's the Republican Party's problem, and it's also the demographic delivery of Obama's analytics people. If race has become a marker for political belief, that's unfortunate, but you can't go on living in some Sesame Street episode that pretends that someone who has a nearly 100% likelihood of voting for Obama is going to work with enthusiasm for a Republican campaign. It's not about firing people from their jobs, discriminating, or profiling. It's about asking what kind of world we live in when one party entirely captures a demographic base, brags about it and sets up a narrative where those few minorities who might have wanted to vote for Romney will be branded as traitors to their race or ethnic group. I'm not the one who invented that world; Jim Messina is the one who invented that world. Jim Messina has a huge secretive machine that turns out people who "look just like you" in your neighbourhood and then persuade you to vote for Obama. That's politics in the real world, except now it has an acceleration and an amplification -- if everybody in your neighbourhood and your Facebook is blaring messages for Obama, and operatives who "look like you" are out in the field calling you and knocking on your door night and day, are you really going to feel you can vote for anyone else?

The company that in fact coded the failed VP announcement app leans all towards the Republicans. The CEO said frankly that his company, which is top in their industry, would not give the job to someone who hates Republicans. And that's more than the Democrats are saying, and most geeks lean left. Those arguing this on forums are saying "you're racist for even talking like this" or "we're going to rely on professional ethics to solve this problem".

I realize your felt need to go on forums and take a star turn and denounce people you think are racists and feel good for the day that you did your bit to deter racism. Except Silicon Valley has not hired any more black engineers as a result of your smugness; and the American public does not have secure, neutral and accessible campaign and voting tools in the new digitalized age of elections.

You invoke the notion that people will display their professionalism and ethics. Will they? I don't believe you. Unlike government service, they sign no oaths. Unlike some big public companies, they sign no ethics manual. Unlike some professions, coders and engineers and digital designers have no self-regulatory body or even informal campaign that pledges not to DDOS people they don't like. With Anonymous rampant everywhere, you can't know who is coding that app -- they may mispell Romney's app with the word AMERCIA because they want to damage him.

You can dismiss people who raise these issues like me as cranks or nutters, but I always voted for Democrats all my life and for the first time ever voted for a Republican president. Among the reasons was the personality cult of Obama and the socialist culture brought to so much of the "community organizing" straight out of the manual of the Socialist Scholars conferences of the 1980s (which Obama attended, and so did I, that's how they are recognizable to me.)

16 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:59:50am

re: #15 catfitz56

No, it's not a racist comment. I'm not for hiring or firing people in political campaigns (the only job I'm talking about here) on the basis of race; I'm for recognizing the harsh reality that people from your own political persuasion have to be hired if you want to do a good job.

You are saying that because 96% of black people favor Obama, 100% of black people can't be trusted to work on a Republican campaign. You're a racist.

If race has become a marker for political belief, that's unfortunate, but you can't go on living in some Sesame Street episode that pretends that someone who has a nearly 100% likelihood of voting for Obama is going to work with enthusiasm for a Republican campaign.

You're calling Herman Cain and Allen West liars. And worse. You're a racist.

I realize your felt need to go on forums and take a star turn and denounce people you think are racists and feel good for the day that you did your bit to deter racism. Except Silicon Valley has not hired any more black engineers as a result of your smugness; and the American public does not have secure, neutral and accessible campaign and voting tools in the new digitalized age of elections.

You complain about what hasn't happened, but look what has happened. We reelected a black man as president. Must be doing something right. Too bad for you.

You can dismiss people who raise these issues like me as cranks or nutters, but I always voted for Democrats all my life and for the first time ever voted for a Republican president. Among the reasons was the personality cult of Obama and the socialist culture brought to so much of the "community organizing" straight out of the manual of the Socialist Scholars conferences of the 1980s (which Obama attended, and so did I, that's how they are recognizable to me.)

No I dismissed you as a racist. With this new information about what you believe, now I can also dismiss you as a crank AND a nutter, AND a racist.

I won't go to your website and read your Wall-O-Text, Fjordman-like ravings, and I won't bother with your comments in this kind of detail in the future, because you aren't a worthy adversary who might be convinced, you are a foolish bigot.


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