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1 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:40:59pm

This is what happens when aerospace firms get hacked. OMG. Clear as day. Copycat bastards.

2 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:47pm

re: #1 Daniel Ballard

China's first stealth fighter, the J-20, was unveiled in early 2011 but is not expected to enter service until 2018.

I see a Stuxnet scenario in the not too distant future.

3 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:42:07pm

re: #2 researchok

I see a Stuxnet scenario in the not too distant future.

Doubt it.

4 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:54:45pm

re: #3 Gus

Why?

5 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:36pm

re: #4 researchok

Why?

Because of a drone that looks like a Reaper externally? That same drone is also available to other foreign buyers. This is nothing new. A Stuxnet attack on China would have serious consequences. Thankfully, Obama would never approve of such a thing.

6 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:58:31pm

re: #2 researchok

I see a Stuxnet scenario in the not too distant future.

Yes, because China wouldn't hit us back with a similar virus.

7 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:01:25pm

re: #5 Gus

re: #6 Varek Raith

Do you believe we are doing what China is doing- hacking into their military and infrastructure networks?

8 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:05:36pm

re: #7 researchok

re: #6 Varek Raith

Do you believe we are doing what China is doing- hacking into their military and infrastructure networks?

Of course. We might use that information differently and we instead would call it "intelligence gathering." It's the nature of the game.

9 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:15:19pm

I'd have to say you are right on this.

The threat we face from China is very different than the threat Israel faces coming from Iran.

Fact be told, the Soviets copied lot of our stuff.

10 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:20:44pm

Obviously I am pissed at the Chinese for this. And I'll not bore you with my long list of professional grievances. But hey hardball is a tough game. On one level, that's a sharp motivated opponent.

But what really sticks in my craw is the sheer dearth of consequences for copying at will. Aircraft, weapons, jeans, shirts, jewelry, movies. Penalty? What penalty?

11 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:22:12pm

re: #5 Gus

It's the Chinese version of intellectual bankruptcy. They get the intellectual property to build on you get to go bankrupt.

12 Bob Dillon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:40:31pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Engine Tech, Cyber-Espionage Key to China’s Progress

More grist for the mill.

13 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:22:52pm

re: #10 Daniel Ballard

Obviously I am pissed at the Chinese for this. And I'll not bore you with my long list of professional grievances. But hey hardball is a tough game. On one level, that's a sharp motivated opponent.

But what really sticks in my craw is the sheer dearth of consequences for copying at will. Aircraft, weapons, jeans, shirts, jewelry, movies. Penalty? What penalty?

The problem: How do you punish China without starting a trade war? They'll just deny everything and scream about you irrational we're being. And a trade war would cause a price spike on all kinds of consumer products here in the US. That would do no favors for the political class here, as they'd likely feel the brunt of public anger.

14 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:26:26am

This is why we can't cut defense development spending. If we quit spending hundreds of billions to develop new weapons systems the Chinese wont have anyone to steal new stuff from!

Support the People's Liberation Army and tell your congressman NO to cuts on defense spending!

This message paid for by the "Americans putting their kids through college on Chinese money" slush fund.

15 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:40:04am

re: #14 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Very dry.

Nice


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