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1 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:18:47pm

What Texas could do is try to split off four additional states, getting ten senators instead of two. Now there's a nightmare scenario.

DIVISION OF TEXAS. The congressional joint resolution for the annexation of Texas, passed on March 1, 1845, provided that new states, not to exceed four, could be carved out of Texas, the new states to be entitled to admission to the Union, with or without slavery if south of the Missouri Compromise line, and without slavery if north of that line.

While I don't believe this is still possible, neither is secession and there is no shortage of Texas idiots who want to try that.

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2 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:29:23pm
3 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:56:02pm

Since pretty much every sane person in Texas is dead-set against this idea, and more than a few of the less-sane ones as well, the only traction I see this getting is yet another iteration of the "Republic of Texas" groups that have plagued the area for more than a generation.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And yes, they do tend to be violent at times.

The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Fort Davis Resort, and demanded the release of a movement member in exchange for the Rowes.[5] [6] McLaren's wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. McLaren and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison.[7] This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.

4 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:59:33pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

What Texas could do is try to split off four additional states, getting ten senators instead of two. Now there's a nightmare scenario.

While I don't believe this is still possible, neither is secession and there is no shortage of Texas idiots who want to try that.

Link

Outside of congressional approval by a supermajority of votes, they lost that option after the Civil War, because they were subject to the same terms of readmission to the union as the other seceding states.

5 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:59:44pm

Texas is one of the few states that could secede without impoverishing itself. The others would be fucked.

However, Texas would then find itself at the mercy of a modern problem. i.e. In a global economy only very large nations get any say in what happens in their economy. One the size of Texas would bring in legislation that would make the business community unhappy and the business community would leave until Texas 'comes to its senses'. Taxes? Environmental standards? Health care? Financial regulation? Texas would get no say at all.

America can make laws that stick. It's too big a market and labour pool to ignore. Texas? Not so much.

6 Tigger2  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:58:09pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

What Texas could do is try to split off four additional states, getting ten senators instead of two. Now there's a nightmare scenario.

While I don't believe this is still possible, neither is secession and there is no shortage of Texas idiots who want to try that.

Link

Especially if Texas continues to turn Blue, Hummm wait a minute.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:12:30pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

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8 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:19:42pm

re: #5 Romantic Heretic

Texas is one of the few states that could secede without impoverishing itself. The others would be fucked.

Some better and more current numbers (2008,still pre-stimulus) for you, those are from 2004 data.

Total Federal Taxes Paid: $225,390,904,000
*Total Federal Spending Received: $219,005,000,000

*(see below)
Retirement and Disability payments: $53,203,000,000
Other Direct Payments**: $39,202,000,000
Federal Grants: $38,300,000,000
Salaries and Wages: $18,597,000,000
Procurement***: $60,703,000,000

**Medicare, federal unemployment insurance benefits, refunded Earned Income Tax Credits, agricultural assistance, Food Stamps, education grants, federal employee benefit premiums, rent supplements and assistance, disaster assistance, and other direct federal payments to entities and individuals (aside from retirement and disability payments).

***Includes spending for the government's purchase of goods and services based on actual outlays in the case of the U.S. Postal Service and based on the value of obligations (rather than outlays) for contract expenditures in the case of the Defense Department and all other federal agencies. For contract obligations, the data generally include only the current year actions, although the obligations may include amounts from multiple years for contract actions that cover less than three years total. Most contract actions of less than $25,000 are excluded.

So yes they are still a state that pays more in taxes than they get back from the Federal government, but not by very much.

9 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 3:21:14pm

re: #6 Tigger2

Especially if Texas continues to turn Blue, Hummm wait a minute.

If Texas partitioned itself some of the new "states" would already be blue.


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