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1 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:33:47pm

In fact the first Red Dawn was trashy fun and actually a good allegory about the Vietnam War.

2 Charleston Chew  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:21:42pm

The first Red Dawn was also a Red State wet dream in that the Russians chose to conquer the US starting with the sparsely populated central western states that are of little strategically, economic, cultural, or political value, but are a hotbed of anti-government survivalist xenophobic racist wingnuts.

What Western-state conservatives hate to admit most is that blue states are where all the important stuff is, and foreigners will never invade their home town because no one has ever heard of it or can find it on a map.

3 EiMitch  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:32:50pm

re: #1 aagcobb

In fact the first Red Dawn was trashy fun and actually a good allegory about the Vietnam War.

Vietnam? I thought it was an allegory for the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Btw, another clue that a remake was a bad idea to begin with.

What next, a remake of Doctor Strangelove?

Hey Hollywood! Leave those Cold War movies alone, dammit! If you're out of ideas, (and we all know you are) stuck in the past, and you really want to produce movies tailored for red state audiences, "biblical story" will always be a good answer.

4 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:57:15pm

If Red Dawn hadn't been an American movie about American partisans fighting the Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting the Germans and Romanians (and Hungarians and Croats and even some Spaniards) in WWII.

5 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:27:44pm

re: #3 EiMitch

Vietnam? I thought it was an allegory for the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

It could be to Russians, but it was an American movie, and Americans didn't give a shit about Afghanistan.

6 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:06:27pm

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

If Red Dawn hadn't been an American movie about American partisans fighting the Russians and Cubans in WWIII it could easily have been a Russian movie about Russian partisans fighting the Germans and Romanians (and Hungarians and Croats and even some Spaniards) in WWII.

Indeed, but don't forget the Italians. Italy had several divisions in Russia and its cavalry were reckoned especially useful for anti-partisan work, as were the Cossacks who fought for Germany.

But your point is excellent and well made.

7 Aligarr  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:42:21pm

I didn't see the movie and wont . I didn't think the first one was any good . Curious timing of it's release ...lol....teabaggers no doubt ...related to it . And according to the predictions of the wing nuts , this would be a familiar scenario which if not by now certainly in Obama's second term .But we shoulda all been in our designated concentration camps by now , our guns having already been confiscated by the Govmint . Well , Romney lost , so I guess the next action patriot movie will be about civil war or secession .

8 Cap'n Magic  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:55:41pm

The reality is that the US has already sewn the seeds of its own destruction-its just that the populace has been lied to by its politicians and the MSM (which also includes Fox, whose bleatings of not being part of the MSM is a total lie based on their ratings share.)

Decades ago it was a requirement that plants that produced military hardware that the tools and molds used to produced the parts were owned by the DOD. Now? Many of the PLA's and PLD's used in advanced weaponry can be easily circumvented-and are built and produced in PRC.

Feel safe now?

9 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:09:09pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, but don't forget the Italians. Italy had several divisions in Russia and its cavalry were reckoned especially useful for anti-partisan work, as were the Cossacks who fought for Germany.

But your point is excellent and well made.

Knew I forgot somebody.

10 Destro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:20:23pm

re: #2 Charleston Chew

The first Red Dawn was also a Red State wet dream in that the Russians chose to conquer the US starting with the sparsely populated central western states that are of little strategically, economic, cultural, or political value, but are a hotbed of anti-government survivalist xenophobic racist wingnuts.

What Western-state conservatives hate to admit most is that blue states are where all the important stuff is, and foreigners will never invade their home town because no one has ever heard of it or can find it on a map.

At least that Chuck Norris "Invasion USA" had the Cubans invading real estate that counted....Miami. That was also a fun B grade movie.

11 Destro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:22:48pm

re: #5 aagcobb

It could be to Russians, but it was an American movie, and Americans didn't give a shit about Afghanistan.

Rambo joined the Afghan jihadis in Rambo 3, the movie Rambo and the right wing wants us to forget about.

12 Destro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:24:14pm

re: #8 Cap'n Magic

The reality is that the US has already sewn the seeds of its own destruction-its just that the populace has been lied to by its politicians and the MSM (which also includes Fox, whose bleatings of not being part of the MSM is a total lie based on their ratings share.)

Decades ago it was a requirement that plants that produced military hardware that the tools and molds used to produced the parts were owned by the DOD. Now? Many of the PLA's and PLD's used in advanced weaponry can be easily circumvented-and are built and produced in PRC.

Feel safe now?

LOL! In the first Red Dawn movie the Chinese were our allies against the Russkies.

13 Destro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:25:21pm

re: #7 Aligarr

See the first one with an 80s mindset. It is actually OK.


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