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1 William of Orange  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:44:46am

And you can't trust the tweets also...

2 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:50:59am

While I'd certainly bet money that this guy was faking it, because there were cuts between the shots others would argue that the sequence had simply been reversed and the man was, in fact, injured. It's also possible (admittedly, I don't believe it, but possible), that he had simply collapsed or fainted and that's why he was able to recover so quickly.

Please understand I agree with your assessment that he was hamming it up for the camera, but I'd rather use very solid, verifiable facts. Otherwise the Israel-haters will latch on to any mistake you make and use that to disprove anything else you may say about Israel's response to being attacked by the Palestinians.

It was certainly sloppy and irresponsible of the BBC to use that clip if there's any doubt the man was injured. And there certainly is doubt.

3 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:40:06am

This one got quite a bit of discussion in the main thread yesterday, even Charles weighed in on it. Because of the edit cut it cannot be proven that it was fake. The "official" story is that he got treated for his injuries and recovered somewhere between 2:12 and 2:42, we can't prove he didn't so you just have to go with what your gut says. :(

4 ThomasLite  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 2:06:42pm

re: #2 ReamWorks SKG

While I'd certainly bet money that this guy was faking it, because there were cuts between the shots others would argue that the sequence had simply been reversed and the man was, in fact, injured. It's also possible (admittedly, I don't believe it, but possible), that he had simply collapsed or fainted and that's why he was able to recover so quickly.

Please understand I agree with your assessment that he was hamming it up for the camera, but I'd rather use very solid, verifiable facts. Otherwise the Israel-haters will latch on to any mistake you make and use that to disprove anything else you may say about Israel's response to being attacked by the Palestinians.

It was certainly sloppy and irresponsible of the BBC to use that clip if there's any doubt the man was injured. And there certainly is doubt.

really? he seemed quite conscious when he was picked up/carried to me.
at least I'd say if he'd just fainted, he'd have his head slouched somewhat, not looking right in the direction he was being carried (which is actually rather straining on one's neck, in that position!).

5 Flavia  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:51:01pm

I could very well believe that it was edited poorly, that he wasn't trying to pretend he was injured worse than he was - I could believe a lot of things. However, I have also seen video of "funerals" where the corpse fell off the gurney, & scrambled back up & finished the procession. & we all remember "Green Helmet Guy."

As ALWAYS, terrorists hurt their own people more then (or at least just as badly as) their intended targets: now everything they say/show will have this shadow of doubt. I guess it's fortunate for them that the people who question it all are a minority.


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 Frank says:

I think "when" is a very important thing, but "what the f*ck!" is also a very important thing to ask. Just keep asking "what the f*ck?" I mean, why the f*ck bother? See what i mean? The important thing is, deal with the "when". "When" will open a lot of shit for you. "What the f*ck" really makes it easier to deal with it when you understand the "when".