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1 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:33:05am

This is Bull%$#@. Yes they are terrorists in my opinion.

2 EiMitch  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 12:53:50pm

An open letter to anonymous:

The IDF isn't just going into Gaza to shoot Palestinians left and right. The Israeli government made an ultimatum to Hamas to stop firing rockets into cities or else. Any nation would do the same if weapons were repeatedly fired upon them across the border. Its called national defense, anon-tards. That the IDF didn't just storm into Gaza without saying a thing in advance shows meaningful restraint. Yet, you target civilians 4 hax over this? Civilians?!

Go f*** yourselves! You're not freedom fighters. You're not revolutionaries changing the world. You're just anarchists with kiddie-scripts trying to intimidate noobs and luddites 4 lulz.

3 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 2:59:00pm

Both the IDF and Hamas are allowing collateral damage to occcur-how is that any different when Anonymous does it?

Maybe humanity needs a Celestial Being after all.

4 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 3:24:12pm

re: #3 Cap'n Magic

This isn't collateral damage. This is what they're trying to do.

5 Flavia  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 4:30:58pm

You'd think that hackers would take care not to mess with a country that specializes in hacking...

6 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 5:55:26pm

re: #5 Flavia

Tell that to Chevron and other victims of Stuxnet.

The law of unintended consequences casts a rather wide net and weaponized software makes no distinction as to who is friend or foe.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:42:49pm

re: #6 Cap'n Magic

Tell that to Chevron and other victims of Stuxnet.

The law of unintended consequences casts a rather wide net and weaponized software makes no distinction as to who is friend or foe.

Neither does a rifle. But cyberweapons like Stuxnet offer a way to fight the ambitions of hostile nations such as Iran while not actually killing people. That alone gives them real relevance as weapons.

8 Flavia  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:47:33pm

re: #6 Cap'n Magic

Tell that to Chevron and other victims of Stuxnet.

What part of UNINTENDED do you not get?
What part of "Anonymous is DELIBERATELY ATTACKING CIVILIANS" do you not get?

And, FTR, my post was pretty much saying that Anonymous might have bitten off more than they could chew. Your... answer? only indicates that you agree with me.

9 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 6:58:14pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

In that's your argument, then Stuxnet is no different than US drone attacks-agreed?

10 EiMitch  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:00:57pm

re: #9 Cap'n Magic

So the argument is about stuxnet and US drones? Funny, I thought it was about IDF, Hamas, and Anonymous.

11 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:03:25pm

re: #9 Cap'n Magic

In that's your argument, then Stuxnet is no different than US drone attacks-agreed?

No, not agreed. Drone attack kill people and Stuxnet to date has not done so.

12 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:05:26pm

re: #8 Flavia

Unless you can cough up proof that Stuxnet was only targeted for specific Siemens control systems owned by Iran and no other systems would be affected when released into the wild then not only do you fail computer science but basic biology as well.

13 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:07:46pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Note the 'To date' part. Until Stuxnet is eraidicated 100% in the wild like smallpox is, the risk of human fatailties either directly or indirectly by Stuxnet-infected systems is still there.

14 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:45:34pm

re: #8 Flavia

Here's an inconvenient truth: Israel is getting bit by the hand they originally fed.

15 BishopX  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 8:42:32pm

re: #8 Flavia

What part of UNINTENDED do you not get?
What part of "Anonymous is DELIBERATELY ATTACKING CIVILIANS" do you not get?

And, FTR, my post was pretty much saying that Anonymous might have bitten off more than they could chew. Your... answer? only indicates that you agree with me.

I find it interesting that you're drawing distinctions between civilian and military computer systems. I don't think anyone else in the world is right. Some people draw a line between government and non-government computer systems or critical vs non-critical systems but I don't think anyone recognizes the concept of 'civilian' in cyber-space.

16 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 5:27:48am

re: #15 BishopX

I find it interesting that you're drawing distinctions between civilian and military computer systems. I don't think anyone else in the world is right. Some people draw a line between government and non-government computer systems or critical vs non-critical systems but I don't think anyone recognizes the concept of 'civilian' in cyber-space.

Agreed.

17 Aligarr  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 2:57:56pm

Solution: dont put your life in cyber-space / develop closed systems which can not be accessed from the internet....yea someone will have to work a bit harder, but consider the alternative.

18 Aligarr  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 3:13:55pm

As for the hackers ? Unleash the super sleuths , hunt them down and liquidate them . Mwwaaaaaaaaaahahhaah

19 BishopX  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:34:44pm

re: #18 Aligarr

Dude if your ready to kill someone to be able to get to your website you might want to reconsider your life.

20 Flavia  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:33:43pm

re: #15 BishopX

I find it interesting that you're drawing distinctions between civilian and military computer systems. I don't think anyone else in the world is right. Some people draw a line between government and non-government computer systems or critical vs non-critical systems but I don't think anyone recognizes the concept of 'civilian' in cyber-space.

I find it obnoxious at best that other people aren't doing this. Especially if one is supposedly doing this as a "political statement." Otherwise, "Anonymous (as the specific example on the table)" is only proving that it's NOT "only Israel they hate", but Jews.

21 Flavia  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:37:03pm

re: #12 Cap'n Magic

Unless you can cough up proof that Stuxnet was only targeted for specific Siemens control systems owned by Iran and no other systems would be affected when released into the wild then not only do you fail computer science but basic biology as well.

Unless YOU can cough up proof that Israel meant to do anything other than stop Iran, you're the one who fails law, logic & morality by insisting anyone else has to prove a negative in order to clear Israel.

re: #14 Cap'n Magic

Here's an inconvenient truth:

No, it's just an incredibly stupid lie

Israel is getting bit by the hand they originally fed.

22 Gus  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 10:26:17pm

This thread is ripe for a doctoral in psychology thesis.


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 Frank says:

Seeing a psychotherapist is not a crazy idea, it's just wanting a second opinion of one's life.