Pages

23 comments

Jump to bottom
1 Buck  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 8:32:49pm

I have to say that this is complete bullshit.

It is in the same vein as "The USA created Osama bin Laden" or "Saddam Hussein" was created by the CIA.

Tolerating is possible. However that is being too tolerant... not 'spawning'.

2 Buck  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:02:14pm

As if there is a way to 'curb' the muslim brotherhood.

3 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:07:37pm

I'm actually surprised that the Journal actually went ahead with this piece given Murdoch's latest tweet.

Then again, how much different is Israel's apartheid against the Palestinians in Gaza vs. the South Africans apartheid regime?

4 Buck  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:18:49pm

There is NO Israel apartheid against the Palestinians.

However if you really ask the question then here is the answer.

South Africans apartheid was the minority (whites) using law to dominate the majority blacks.
In Israel the majority (Jews) created a legal system that is absolutely fair to everyone, and not based on race, creed, colour or sex. In fact anything less is against the law.

South Africans apartheid was about an official policy of racial segregation.
In Israel there is no an official policy of racial segregation, or even religious supremacy. Both would be illegal.

South Africans apartheid there is a lot of separation between ethnic groups.
In Israel there is no separation between ethnic groups.

So to sum up, There is NO Israeli Apartheid. NO Israeli "separation between ethnic groups". NO Israeli "ethnic cleansing".

Thank you for your attention.

5 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 17, 2012 9:27:06pm

re: #2 Buck

Given the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood stood up to Britian's rule in Egypt during the 1930s, one must be careful to discern what is one man's freedom fighters vs. one man's terrorist, lest they bite the hand that feeds them down the road once the suppporting country's objectives are met (sorry, Destro, but history is replete with US meddling in foreign affairs of other countries causing damaging blowbacks when the US cuts and runs.)

And many religious conservatives have stated that they find more in common with Sunni Muslim clerics than with Michael Moore-that this may come as a shock to some is actually quite humorous as there is more in common between Christianity and Islam than differences.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 5:38:12am

re: #5 Cap'n Magic

You entirely failed to address what Buck actually said. What he was addressing was the Muslim Brotherhood's overall commitment to Radical Islam (sometimes called Political Islam). Buck was stating his disbelief that such an Islamist organization could ever be simply 'curbed', as the ideology that drives it will not long abide by limits set by a state.

7 miclaine  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 8:26:17am

re: #3 Cap'n Magic

I'm actually surprised that the Journal actually went ahead with this piece given Murdoch's latest tweet.

Then again, how much different is Israel's apartheid against the Palestinians in Gaza vs. the South Africans apartheid regime?

Uh - COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - NON-EXISTENT AS A MATTER OF FACT

8 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 8:32:12am

re: #3 Cap'n Magic

Then again, how much different is Israel's apartheid against the Palestinians in Gaza vs. the South Africans apartheid regime?

Very, since it's not apartheid.

9 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 9:34:09am

WSJ is letting Avner Cohen make his case that one thing led to another.

"How Bismark created the Soviet Union".

"How Harriet Beecher Stowe started the civil war".

"How Ronald Reagan created al Qaeda".

The future is hard to predict, especially in advance. Surely Israel did not intend that Hamas should come to rule in Gaza. But one thing does lead to another, often by paths beyond human wit to foresee. Or by improbable paths.

It's possible that in hindsight, tracing the birth and growth of Hamas, Israel's policies have played their part.

Any nation that could steer clear of the law of unintended consequences would lead a charmed life. It's not yet been done.

10 Destro  Sun, Nov 18, 2012 10:25:18pm

re: #1 Buck

re: #3 Cap'n Magic

re: #5 Cap'n Magic

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

re: #8 Obdicut

re: #9 lostlakehiker

The future is hard to predict, especially in advance. Surely Israel did not intend that Hamas should come to rule in Gaza. But one thing does lead to another, often by paths beyond human wit to foresee. Or by improbable paths.

Why is anyone doubting this? The west has been using Islamist to fight Soviet aligned powers since the Reagan era. And there is always the assumption they can be disarmed and packed away afterwards (and the blowback is always forgotten).

11 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:28:00am

re: #8 Obdicut

Very, since it's not apartheid.

Destro, since you downdinged this, you might give a shot at explaining how Israel is engaging in apartheid.

12 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:35:00am

re: #10 Destro

Why is anyone doubting this? The west has been using Islamist to fight Soviet aligned powers since the Reagan era. And there is always the assumption they can be disarmed and packed away afterwards (and the blowback is always forgotten).

I know you like to shoehorn everything into that point of view, but the support Hamas got from Israel wasn't because Hamas were fighting 'soviet aligned powers', it's that they were fighting the PLO. The PLO was 'soviet aligned', but that's not why Israel gave them the support that they did.

Just as Romney's advisers tended to see everything though the lends of the Cold War, it kind of seems like that's your point of view too, Destro.

13 Destro  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:34:23am

he PLO was 'soviet aligned', but that's not why Israel gave them the support that they did.

The PLO was not soviet aligned?

What are you, bat shit stupid? By the 1970s, the PLO was linked to Soviet counter insurgency efforts and supplied with funding and training.

14 Destro  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:51:21am

re: #12 Obdicut

PS: Sorry for calling you batshit stupid. But to deny the PLO was aligned to the eastern bloc is just nutso.

15 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:58:25am

re: #13 Destro

Downding for the ugly, uncalled for, insult.

16 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:52:59am

re: #13 Destro

he PLO was 'soviet aligned', but that's not why Israel gave them the support that they did.

The PLO was not soviet aligned?

What are you, bat shit stupid? By the 1970s, the PLO was linked to Soviet counter insurgency efforts and supplied with funding and training.

Try reading.

The PLO was 'soviet aligned', but that's not why Israel gave [Hamas] the support that they did.

17 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:53:15am

re: #14 Destro

PS: Sorry for calling you batshit stupid. But to deny the PLO was aligned to the eastern bloc is just nutso.

That's cool man. The problem is I didn't do that, cutie-pie.

18 Destro  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 12:56:47pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

re: #16 Obdicut

Downding myself for misreading if I could. But I find this American denial of their continued boosting of Islamic radicals against leftist regimes fucking fascinating.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 2:28:26pm

re: #18 Destro

re: #16 Obdicut

Downding myself for misreading if I could. But I find this American denial of their continued boosting of Islamic radicals against leftist regimes fucking fascinating.

You admitted your error and apologized. You and I are straight on this one.

20 Flavia  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:42:53pm

re: #3 Cap'n Magic

Then again, how much different is Israel's apartheid against the Palestinians in Gaza vs. the South Africans apartheid regime?

Um, how about that Israel's is imaginary & the other wasn't? But, wait, you knew that before you posted....

21 Buck  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:46:02am

re: #10 Destro

The west has been using Islamist to fight Soviet aligned powers since the Reagan era

Using is different than creating them.

22 Major Tom  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:34:17pm

re: #21 Buck

Using is different than creating them.

Perpetuating then.

23 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 20, 2012 2:47:52pm

re: #18 Destro

re: #16 Obdicut

Downding myself for misreading if I could. But I find this American denial of their continued boosting of Islamic radicals against leftist regimes fucking fascinating.

What denial?

And remember, you're American. So it's not "Their".


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
Take advantage of our yearly subscription, and save 50% off the normal subscription price! One-year ad-free subscriptions are just $59.95. Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing now and save!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2015-03-17 11:42 am PDT

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
Romantic Heretic
The Lavender Scare
Here is an interesting article on one of Tail Gunner Joe's sick witch hunts that has, unfortunately, been forgotten. I try not to feel schadenfreude of the fate of McCarthy's side kick, Ray Cohn, but I never succeed.

3 hours, 35 minutes ago
Views: 87 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
Thanos
Harry Reid Won’t Seek Re-Election in 2016
Will Democrats be able to retain his senate seat? After repeatedly insisting that he would seek a sixth Senate term in 2016, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada announced on Friday that he will not be a candidate for re-election ...

6 hours, 59 minutes ago
Views: 152 • Comments: 3
Tweets: 4 • Rating: 1
FemNaziBitch
Should Women ‘Man Up’ at the Office, or Does Office Culture Need to ‘Man Down’?
About the Graphic How should a woman try to get ahead in a male-dominated workplace? Perhaps the answer lies less on women "manning up" and more in how businesses value their employees. Many women confront this tension as they ...

1 day, 5 hours ago
Views: 238 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
William Barnett-Lewis
Orthopraxy Pt 2
If we accept the idea of Orthopraxy over Orthodoxy, then what does evangelism look like? What is the Witness of those who try to follow the Way of Christ Jesus? To evangelize is to spread the good news that we ...

1 day, 17 hours ago
Views: 292 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 4
thecommodore
Eric Alterman: A Wake-Up Call for US Liberals
A short column in The Nation that is a must read. The primary difference between liberalism and conservatism, at least in theory, is that the latter is an ideology and the former isn't. Conservatism, as Milton Friedman argued, posits that ...

2 days, 1 hour ago
Views: 480 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 5
Great White Snark
The NSA Has Taken Over the Internet Backbone. We’re Suing to Get It Back.
Blow off Snowden all you like, but what was revealed to be true is still true. The NSA lacks oversight with power. FISA is already too much and now they casually exceed even that generous provision. The world first learned ...

4 days ago
Views: 564 • Comments: 9
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 3
Lumberhead
Lead Prosecutor Apologizes, Admits Mistakes in Glenn Ford Case
This is a powerful admission of culpability and I applaud his courage in making it. It really should be read in its entirety. Glenn Ford should be completely compensated to every extent possible because of the flaws of a system ...

1 week ago
Views: 711 • Comments: 4
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 8
Dark_Falcon
Sarah Vine of the DM gets it wrong on teaching about rape.
Sarah Vine of the DM gets it wrong: SARAH VINE: Teaching 11-year-olds about rape is a form of child abuse The problem with this country, I've come to realise, is that it treats adults like children and children like adults. ...

2 weeks ago
Views: 1,143 • Comments: 6
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 9
Fred72
Obama, Reagan, treaties, and agreements
So sayeth Conservative Reason: This was a deal. Not an agreement. Not a treaty. A treaty lasts months, years, or decades. This was a short-term project to solve an immediate crisis. Were laws broken? Sure. But there was no violation ...

2 weeks, 5 days ago
Views: 1,246 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Shiplord Kirel
Stonehenge Damaged With Chewing Gum and Graffiti During Winter Solstice
Friggin' barbarians...... Dare I say it? Well why not? More white people behaving badly. If that seems a stretch, just try to imagine the berserk meltdown if this had been a mob of black teenagers at a US national monument. ...

2 weeks, 5 days ago
Views: 1,338 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 10 • Rating: 9
 Frank says:

I have a message to deliver to the cute people of the world...if you're cute, or maybe you're beautiful...there's MORE OF US UGLY MOTHERF*CKERS OUT THERE! So watch out.