Pages

Jump to bottom

5 comments

1 researchok  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 4:21:27pm

You are such a provocateur.
//

Good catch.

2 Destro  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:39:32pm

Clause 3 of the Atlantic Charter reads: Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them then became one of the eight cardinal principal points of the Charter all people had a right to self-determination.

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1514:
Conscious of the need for the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,

Recognizing the passionate yearning for freedom in all dependent peoples and the decisive role of such peoples in the attainment of their independence.

3 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 5:46:25pm

I don't have any problem with what Scheuer said there, but he could have done better here...

But Scheuer seemed to go off script again, warning that Iran was not necessarily responsible for actions Hamas took against Israel.

“Hamas has alienated themselves from the Iranians, they’ve moved out of Syria,” the former CIA analyst explained. “Hamas would have always much preferred to have worked with Sunni people rather than Shia. And now they have those people to work with, plus they have all the arms they want coming out of Libya and Tunisia after the Arab spring. Their reliance on the Iranians is much less than it used to be.”

He might have mentioned that Islamic Jihad is now the direct arm of Iran in Gaza and the West Bank. Without mentioning that what he said makes it sound like Iran has lost all influence with the Palestinians which isn't really true. A nitpick maybe but a valid one.

But wait...

The author of the article at RS, David Edwards, then just slips this little paragraph in at the end of the article...

For years, Israel has contended that one of the largest obstacles preventing peace is that Hamas has refused to recognize Israel’s “right to exist.” During 1988 negotiations, then-Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat first recognized Israel’s “right to exist in peace and security for all.”

WTF is that? What does Yasser Arafat have to do with Hamas? This paragraph is an intentional conflation of two completely separate issues that makes it sound as if Hamas has recognized Israels right to exist when it most definitely has not!

4 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 8:53:50pm

What is a right?

It's nothing tangible. Its tangible traces in the physical world are patterns of thinking in other people. If people generally hold that you "have a right", that's something real in the real world. You'll probably be allowed to do what you "have a right" to do.

Another sort of tangible trace of "having a right" is that the people who say "I (or we) have a right" are likely to vigorously insist on going ahead with whatever it is they have a right to do or to be, even if others don't like it. Even if it comes to fighting. And they're signaling determination.

What Scheuer is saying, when you strip it down to its basics, is that if somebody somewhere can destroy Israel, he won't fight to stop it.

For my own part, I don't hold that there is an inarguable right for any self-declared group to set itself up as a nation-state. The Confederacy did not have a right to exist, for instance. Nor did Vichy France. Grey areas---did Estonia have a right to exist? Not really. The Soviet Union had the means to stop them, and nobody was going to fight over it. Only when Soviet Union/Russia decided it didn't matter to them did they relax and inform Estonia that they were welcome to go their own way.

Long established nations, especially nations that are not empires incorporating subject peoples, tend in my view to "have a right to exist". I won't go join their wars, but I will speak up for them and vote in favor of U.S. policies that work toward their continued existence. Even if that means fighting, e.g. to prevent Saddam's Iraq from annexing Kuwait as a province. In that sense, I hold that Israel has a right to exist.

5 researchok  Mon, Nov 19, 2012 11:48:47pm

re: #2 Destro

OK....

LOL


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Two More Women Accuse Sen. Al Franken of Inappropriate Touching wo more women have told HuffPost that Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) touched their butts in separate incidents. These are the third and fourth such allegations against Franken in the past week. Leeann Tweeden, a radio host, wrote last week ...
Thanos
13 hours, 51 minutes ago
Views: 135 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Portugal. the Man - Feel It Still [2017 American Music Awards Performance] portugaltheman.com WOODSTOCK available now!atlantic.lnk.to Go to feelitstill.com for the interactive version of the "Feel it Still" video. There you'll find 30 tools of #theresistance to fight apathy and injustice hidden in the film. Follow Portugal. The ManWebsite: portugaltheman.comFB: facebook.com ...
Thanos
1 day, 18 hours ago
Views: 207 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Donald Trump Doesn’t Believe Women, but He Does Believe Roy Moore. On Tuesday, President Donald Trump tiptoed up to the edge of (re)endorsing Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, who has faced a barrage of credible allegations that he romantically pursued teenagers routinely in his hometown of Gadsden while he was ...
Thanos
1 day, 19 hours ago
Views: 146 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? (Official Music Video) Watch the official music video for "How Soon Is Now"Amazon: po.stiTunes: po.stGoogle: po.stFacebook: po.st "How Soon Is Now?" was originally a B-side of the 1984 single "William, It Was Really Nothing". "How Soon Is Now?" was featured on the ...
Thanos
4 days, 2 hours ago
Views: 376 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
2017 Hurricanes and Aerosols Simulation This is fascinating, I recommend full screen How can you see the atmosphere? By tracking what is carried on the wind. Tiny aerosol particles such as smoke, dust, and sea salt are transported across the globe, making visible weather ...
Thanos
4 days, 5 hours ago
Views: 371 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Incredibles 2 Official Teaser Trailer The teaser trailer for "Incredibles 2" is here. Disney/Pixar's "Incredibles 2" opens in theatres in 3D June 15th, 2018. Everyone’s favorite family of superheroes is back in “Incredibles 2” – but this time Helen (voice of Holly Hunter) is ...
Thanos
5 days, 4 hours ago
Views: 445 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
Thanos
1 week ago
Views: 741 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
Thanos
1 week, 1 day ago
Views: 920 • Comments: 4 • Rating: 2
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
Thanos
1 week, 4 days ago
Views: 829 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 2
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
Thanos
1 week, 4 days ago
Views: 850 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0