Pages

8 comments

Jump to bottom
1 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:21:09pm

Morality and freedom have a life of their own, no matter how hard the ideologues and 'religious' leaders of both sides would have you believe otherwise.

You can't unring the bell of peace.

Humans will always adapt to what serves them best.

That is never conflict.

2 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:27:53pm

I would note one exception. The ADL.

3 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:56:15pm

re: #2 ProGunLiberal

I would note one exception. The ADL.

*SIGH* You're not being helpful. Are you sure about that exception?

The ADL isn't perfect, in fact I think Foxman got it especially wrong on the "Ground Zero" mosque issue, but there have been many other instances where they've tried to help. Just to name a few:

ADL Statement on Dennis Prager's Attack On Muslim Congressman for Taking Oath of Office on Koran

ADL: Anti-Muslim sentiment ‘significant’

ADL Opposes Oklahoma Anti-Sharia Measure

ADL Backgrounder: Anti-Muslim Discrimination and Bigotry in the United States (PDF)

Shout Down the Sharia Myth Makers

David Yerushalmi: A Driving Force Behind Anti-Sharia Efforts in the U.S.

ADL Strongly Condemns Alleged Anti-Muslim Hate Crime in Queens

You might want to check your facts before pointing fingers next time.

4 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:04:28pm

re: #3 CuriousLurker

What I recall is how the ADL, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, organized escorts for Muslims in Detroit and elsewhere who were (in many cases, justifiably) afraid for their safety.

They made sure to escort Muslims to and from shopping trips, schools and elsewhere.

I'm no expert on the ADL but as I like to emphasize, I don't care much about creed. For me it is the deeds which best speak to the character of a person.

No one is perfect of course and foot in mouth is a part of the human condition.

When all is said and done it is actions that speak far more eloquently than any spoken words.

5 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:15:37pm

re: #4 researchok

What I recall is how the ADL, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, organized escorts for Muslims in Detroit and elsewhere who were (in many cases, justifiably) afraid for their safety.

They made sure to escort Muslims to and from shopping trips, schools and elsewhere.

That's great. See? I wasn't even aware of that as in the aftermath there was only one TV station working for several days, and I was in a rather nasty black fog of roiling negative emotions for a good six weeks after the attack, so I'm not really surprised I missed it.

No one is perfect of course and foot in mouth is a part of the human condition.

When all is said and done it is actions that speak far more eloquently than any spoken words.

True that.

6 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:22:28pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Show me a moral, ethical and honest person and I'll show you are person I admire and respect.

And I could care less about their religious persuasion.

7 eightyfiv  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 10:35:17pm

Personally, I'm skeptical about this sort of thing helping the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... not because it isn't a beautiful and productive thing to pursue, but because the conflict on the ground seems more tribal than religious, more about land, freedom, and control than about beliefs. We need bridges among the people who are actually there, not among their weakly connected coreligionists half a world away. There's only so much pressure you can exert from your armchair on someone living under rocket fire.

8 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:10:36am

re: #7 eightyfiv

Personally, I'm skeptical about this sort of thing helping the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... not because it isn't a beautiful and productive thing to pursue, but because the conflict on the ground seems more tribal than religious, more about land, freedom, and control than about beliefs. We need bridges among the people who are actually there, not among their weakly connected coreligionists half a world away. There's only so much pressure you can exert from your armchair on someone living under rocket fire.

I agree, but I think what the writer was getting at was a slower, long-term effort that would have a more organic foundation and therefore be longer lasting. The Israelis & Palestinians have been locked in a death grip for decades. IMO, even if Hamas did a complete about face tomorrow and Israel met all reasonable demands, there has been so much bitter hatred, anger, and resentment that it would be decades before anything that could be considered even a moderately healthy relationship could exist. Trust (if it ever existed) would have to be rebuilt from zero. People would have to be willing to forgive and to let go of grudges.

Personally, I'm not hopeful about the situation even though I'm generally a pretty optimistic person. There's too much water under the bridge, too many outside forces involved...and it only seems to be getting worse...positions have hardened to the point of petrification.

OTOH, in the West we're free of most of that baggage. We have a choice, the luxury of security, of time to think because no one is hunkered down trying to avoid getting killed. The grassroots efforts are voluntary and sincere, not something imposed from the outside. As the article said, that leaves room for rational discussion, changing of attitudes, increased understanding, and the dismantling of stereotypes.

It's those new attitudes that have to potential to ripple outwards, eastward, and effect changes in thinking—changes not necessarily to the Israelis & Palestinians involved, but changes among the outside forces that contribute to the problem.

It might take a couple of generations (or more) for that to happen—too late for the people suffering right now, but at least it's something. The alternative is to ignore the problem and hope it solves itself (which obviously hasn't happened so far), or to risk letting it seep into Jewish-Muslim relations in the West (there are haters on both sides working towards that end). I, for one, don't want anything to do with importing that poison, so anything that has the potential to result in a net gain, no matter how small or how far down the road, is a win (IMO).


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
Take advantage of our yearly subscription, and save 50% off the normal subscription price! One-year ad-free subscriptions are just $59.95. Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing now and save!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2015-04-18 5:26 pm PDT

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
jhncsy
How America’s First Female Detective Helped Foil An Assassination Plot
If reading The Bourne Identity and watching Burn Notice has taught me anything, it's that spies need to blend in. Kate Warne was a master at this: The novelty of a female detective in those days meant Warne was able ...

17 hours, 3 minutes ago
Views: 175 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Charles Johnson
The Tea Party’s Most Hated Presidential Hopeful? Hint: Not Hillary Clinton
The tea party hates South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, and the feeling is mutual. It attacked the Republican lawmaker mercilessly during his Senate reelection campaign in 2014, but Graham held his seat with 55 percent of the vote. "Kicking ...

19 hours, 4 minutes ago
Views: 434 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 70 • Rating: 5
Thanos
Advanced LIGO Facility Hits Milestone in Hunt for Gravitational Waves
After seven years of upgrades, the Advanced Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatories were dedicated on Tuesday at the LIGO Hanford facility near Richland, Washington. The facilities are located amid the tumbleweeds of southeastern Washington and the pines of southeastern ...

1 day, 10 hours ago
Views: 290 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 12 • Rating: 1
Great White Snark
A Racing Legend on Mastering America’s Greatest Track
WIRED: I hadn't seen cars run at the Speedway before yesterday. One thing that struck me about this place was how much of the magic and the weird old speed temple vibe you don't get over television. Does it ...

1 day, 17 hours ago
Views: 248 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
FemNaziBitch
Lawmakers Back Broader Access to Contraceptives for Women in the Military
WASHINGTON -- Both houses of Congress are moving to guarantee greater access to contraceptives for women in the military, actions that lawmakers say are prompted in part by concern about unplanned pregnancies in the armed forces. The annual defense ...

1 day, 21 hours ago
Views: 260 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 2
CriticalDragon1177
The Independent - New health minister opposed to abortion urged to reconsider stance
The United States isn't the only western nation where some people want to restrict access to abortion. It sounds like certain British politicians would want to limit when, where, and how a women can get one, assuming they wouldn't like ...

6 days, 17 hours ago
Views: 581 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 6 • Rating: 2
Cheechako
Wood Bison Adjusting to New Life in the Alaska Wilderness
Megan EdgeAlaska Dispatch NewsMay 12, 2015 Nearly a hundred wood bison roaming free in the area of the Lower Innoko and Yukon rivers are adjusting after being released into the wild last month, according to the Alaska Department of Fish ...

1 week, 2 days ago
Views: 528 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 2 • Rating: 6
Uraniabce
Omar Khadr walks free on bail after 13 years in custody
After 13 years of incarceration, after torture and abuse, after being abandoned by his own government, Omar Khadr is finally freed. "Mr. Khadr you're free to go," Alberta judge says in denying Ottawa its emergency motion. Ottawa condemns the release ...

2 weeks ago
Views: 965 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 32 • Rating: 2
 Frank says:

Freak me out, Frank!