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1 Aligarr  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 12:35:12pm

Why sugarcoat it ? If the tax revenue is not there , and the cuts down to the police level , may as well tell it like it is .
Didn't EVERYONES Dad ever tell them , " there ain't no free lunch " ?
I consider what the City Attorney said was a timely and necessarry fair warning . The bad guys are gonna notice the lack of police long before the citizens do .

2 celticdragon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 1:25:21pm

San Bernardino isn't where the action is. Go 15 minutes down I-10 to Fontana on a Friday night and get a ride-along with the San Berdo county deputies. Yee Haw!
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Shots fired! Automatic weapons fire! Two victims down!

3 Bob Dillon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 5:20:38pm

Yeah. We're rocking up here in the Bay Area as well.

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

Burglaries are up a startling 43 percent in Oakland this year compared to last, part of an ever-growing crime problem in the city.

According to the latest numbers from the Oakland Police Department, more than 11,000 homes, cars or businesses have been broken into so far this year – translating to about 33 burglaries a day.

[Bay Area residents were told a few years back that we were pretty much on our own.]

4 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:56:52pm

re: #1 Aligarr

Why sugarcoat it ? If the tax revenue is not there , and the cuts down to the police level , may as well tell it like it is .
Didn't EVERYONES Dad ever tell them , " there ain't no free lunch " ?
I consider what the City Attorney said was a timely and necessarry fair warning . The bad guys are gonna notice the lack of police long before the citizens do .

Even if he had, it wouldn't matter. San Bernardino got hammer by the housing crisis, and when so much of your property tax base disappears you simply cannot maintain the same level of city services as taxes simply cannot be raised high enough to compensate without triggering an exodus. Thus there's nothing to be done for folks but to buy a gun and be ready to defend themselves.

But one thing I think should be done is that the local sheriff should announce is that, until adequate numbers of police can once again be deployed, he will issue concealed carry handgun permits on a "shall issue" basis provided that the applicant has taken an approved training class.

5 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:48:06am

re: #3 Bob Dillon

For fuck's sake "Bay Area" residents were told no such thing. Oakland is the same failure-pile it's ever been, but there's not a goddamn crime wave in Sausalito.

6 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:49:12am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Even if he had, it wouldn't matter. San Bernardino got hammer by the housing crisis, and when so much of your property tax base disappears you simply cannot maintain the same level of city services as taxes simply cannot be raised high enough to compensate without triggering an exodus.

The property tax in California is fixed by Prop 13, which means it's not a very significant source of income for localities anyway.

Why do people love talking about Californian shit without understanding it?

7 Aligarr  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:03:12am

I agree with training classes , however , what is the way out of the dilemna if tax hikes are not considered ? Is it feasible to keep the present staus quo regarding police , until the housing market comes back to levels where tax revenues will again cover the costs of police potection ? I think either alternative is draconian but apparently necessarry .A special temporary assessment tax of say $1000 per household should not cause an exodus anymore than wanting to get out of a town that is reverting to Dodge City .

8 sagehen  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 1:22:19pm

Or we could just do MATH!!11! and realize that 80 cops are cheaper than the property lost to increased burglaries + any reasonable approximation we'd put on each life lost to a murder.

Oh right, I forgot -- math is a liberal conspiracy.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 1, 2012 4:49:04pm

re: #7 Aligarr

I agree with training classes , however , what is the way out of the dilemna if tax hikes are not considered ? Is it feasible to keep the present staus quo regarding police , until the housing market comes back to levels where tax revenues will again cover the costs of police potection ? I think either alternative is draconian but apparently necessarry .A special temporary assessment tax of say $1000 per household should not cause an exodus anymore than wanting to get out of a town that is reverting to Dodge City .

I believe that the ability to impose such a special assessment is limited by Proposition 13. Obdicut should feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

10 John Q  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:14:06pm

re: #7 Aligarr

[...what is the way out of the dilemna if tax hikes are not considered ?]

AJA of 2011 included assistance to local government to keep teachers and cops on the payroll.
Voted down by the GOP, natch.

11 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:41:41pm

re: #6 Obdicut

Try understanding we pay well above average revenues to the state with prop 13 in place, and the housing crash is what happened here not the fantasy scape goat prop 13, the phony fiscal monster under the bed.

12 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 1:43:08pm

re: #7 Aligarr

The fix is have fwewer foreclosed properties, and higher real estate values.

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 2, 2012 3:56:21pm

re: #10 John Q

[...what is the way out of the dilemna if tax hikes are not considered ?]

AJA of 2011 included assistance to local government to keep teachers and cops on the payroll.
Voted down by the GOP, natch.

Because those funds ultimately can't fix the problem: The municipalities that sought them saw their tax base gutted by the collapse of the housing market. They simply cannot fund services at pre-collapse levels, and the federal government can't really afford to fund them till prices rebound (which is still a good number years away). Thus San Bernardino needs to bite the bullet and cut services. That is going to make life worse there but it can't be helped. The monies that funded those services simply don't exist right now and its time to stop pretending that they do.


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