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1 po8crg  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 3:50:09pm

I've tried to avoid words that would offend one side or the other, but since there are people in Northern Ireland that would probably get offended over the word "and", I'm sure I've failed somewhere.

2 researchok  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 4:16:59pm

re: #1 po8crg

I've tried to avoid words that would offend one side or the other, but since there are people in Northern Ireland that would probably get offended over the word "and", I'm sure I've failed somewhere.

Ulster needs the troubles. No one there really knows life without them.

A wise man once noted that if you want to make real enemies, propose real change.

3 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 5:26:30pm

re: #2 researchok

Considering that the polling shows hilariously high support staying in the UK, I think this was just done for causing trouble.

Scotland also isn't gonna be independent. Support for that there is the magical 27%.

4 cinesimon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 5:35:36pm

re: #2 researchok

That's probably about the most inhuman, ignorant and arrogant thing I've seen you write.

5 War On Music  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 5:42:02pm
6 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 6:11:54pm
7 War On Music  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:05:36pm

I don't take Bono seriously. A billionaire rattling on about world poverty - what a hypocriate. Of course Bono doesn't support revolutionary social change and full independence for a colonial holding - his class interests are one where he benefits from the status quo. There's probably a Connolly quote somewhere about how replacing a colonialist capitalist with a native capitalist doesn't change anything, and it would apply perfectly to Bono.

8 War On Music  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:08:04pm
9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:28:24pm

re: #8 War On Music

Also:

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It was a very effective and musically good song for its cause, but it doesn't fit the current situation. This about a flag flying from a flagpole, which as important as that is and as good overall as the Union Jack is, is not the same as that sorts of gratuitous violence dished out by the Black and Tans.

10 dragonath  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:34:00pm

re: #5 War On Music

Yeah, nothing says "revolutionary" quite like being a cipher in an never-ending, religiously motivated sectarian conflict.

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:34:25pm

re: #3 ProGunLiberal

Considering that the polling shows hilariously high support staying in the UK, I think this was just done for causing trouble.

Scotland also isn't gonna be independent. Support for that there is the magical 27%.

Belfast is in Northern Ireland, PLL, not Scotland. It's not the same type of thing, and with passions running as high as they are its highly likely that people are going to die over this matter.

12 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:44:01pm

re: #7 War On Music

I don't take Bono seriously. A billionaire rattling on about world poverty - what a hypocriate.

So rich people should only concern themselves with helping other rich people in your world view?

Look, you don't have to like Bono, or his music, or his inescapable self-importance. However, I tend to give anyone willing to use their wealth and fame to do something charitable the benefit of the doubt. Despite what you say, I am confident that Bono's "class interests" will somehow manage in a world with fewer hungry people.

13 EPR-radar  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 7:53:02pm

re: #7 War On Music

I don't take Bono seriously. A billionaire rattling on about world poverty - what a hypocriate. Of course Bono doesn't support revolutionary social change and full independence for a colonial holding - his class interests are one where he benefits from the status quo. There's probably a Connolly quote somewhere about how replacing a colonialist capitalist with a native capitalist doesn't change anything, and it would apply perfectly to Bono.

So we compare Bono to Romney (or equivalent), and this is supposed to look bad for Bono how? I'll take what I can get, and for now neutral or positive plutocrats are distinctly better than malignant plutocrats.

14 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:03:14pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

So we compare Bono to Romney (or equivalent), and this is supposed to look bad for Bono how? I'll take what I can get, and for now neutral or positive plutocrats are distinctly better than malignant plutocrats.

A man can be rich without being a plutocrat, you know.

15 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:04:29pm

You don't like Bono so you post a video portraying terrorists and nationalists as heroes? Here's a hint: that Bobby Sands poster featured in the video also hangs in the basement meeting room of a pub favored by Vlaams Belang.

16 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:15:00pm

As long as we're posting music about Northern Ireland.

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:17:17pm

re: #15 Randall Gross

You don't like Bono so you post a video portraying terrorists and nationalists as heroes? Here's a hint: that Bobby Sands poster featured in the video also hangs in the basement meeting room of a pub favored by Vlaams Belang.

Many of the continental "Counter-Jihad" crowd think the IRA heroes for "standing up for themselves". They also hope to gain training on how to shoot and blow people up. So far it has not been forthcoming: The membership of the English Defense League (with its vocal support for the Ulster Unionists) in the "counter jihad" bloc makes it anathema to Irish Nationalists.

18 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 7, 2012 10:17:46pm

re: #7 War On Music

You can't refute what Bono said against "the revolution" back in 1987 on substance, so you attack him on what you think his personal weak points are and his supposed hypocrisy on other subjects.

Get fucked.

19 researchok  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 12:26:56am

re: #6 TedStriker

I neglected the sarc tag.

And that bit of sarcasem is hardly original- it's been repeated for decades.

Apologies.

20 researchok  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 12:27:32am

re: #4 cinesimon

LOLOL

Trip down memory lane?

21 researchok  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 12:33:32am

re: #3 ProGunLiberal

Scotland may surprise everyone.

If the measure fails now, it may very well be because of the economy. Overall, the measure does seem to have real traction.

The fact that London is giving the issue more than just lip service is testament to that.

I'd ask Jimmah what the mood in Scotland is right now.

22 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 5:51:23am

re: #19 researchok

Even as a sarcastic joke, that was fucking stupid and cold as shit.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 5:58:43am

re: #22 Obdicut

Even as a sarcastic joke, that was fucking stupid and cold as shit.

Quite Concur. Researchok, you do great work for this blog and we're lucky to have you, but saying "Ulster needs the troubles." is both callous to those who weren't malefactors that were killed by those who were, and demeaning in its rejection of the ability of the region to make a change for the better (which it has made).

24 War On Music  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 7:26:51am

re: #18 TedStriker

Bono can get fucked in general. I'm not interested in a mistake that happened in 1987 - a mistake that even the IRA recognized as a mistake - but rather looking forward to what will carry the movement forward to one continuous Irish socialist republic.

25 researchok  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 12:26:01pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Look at the bright side.

I acknowledged the sentiments were not my own.

26 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 12:31:59pm

re: #25 researchok

You said 'em. Repeating stupidity isn't much better than creating it.

27 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 8, 2012 3:45:48pm

re: #24 War On Music

Bono can get fucked in general. I'm not interested in a mistake that happened in 1987 - a mistake that even the IRA recognized as a mistake - but rather looking forward to what will carry the movement forward to one continuous Irish socialist republic.

Really? Because from where I sit the only thing I've seen you do on this thread is troll repeatedly.


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