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1 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 9, 2012 8:32:01pm

I get the impression that you don't realize that there are a whole hell of a lot of gun owners in America that LaPierre doesn't speak for. I'm a hard leftie. I only own 7 guns right now (3 hand guns, 3 rifles, 1 shotgun) because I needed to sell 3 to buy Christmas presents. I hunt. I target shoot. I have a Wisconsin concealed carry license.

I am a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

I have never been a member of the NRA.

I have opposed the NRA at every opportunity.

What other straw man do you wish to discuss? Just because he's a loud mouth who makes a shitload of money from the gullible & the fearful does not mean he speaks for every gun owner.

There are a lot of responsible gun owners. We just don't make the news.

2 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 9, 2012 9:36:58pm

re: #1 William Barnett-Lewis

Well said.

The NRA needs to make a sea change. We have our right. We have work to do. Without hyperbole.

3 shecky  Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:22:11pm

I wonder if there's any possibility for any gun rights organization to exist that isn't fundamentally a right wing nutcase front. The whole alignment of gun advocacy with hard right politics is clearly a culture war remnant that looks to show no signs of abating, despite being a model that's obsolete. And enthusiastically divisive. I tend to think that the NRA is the way it is because its rank and file are more interested in being Democratic foils than gun rights advocates.

4 Destro  Sun, Dec 9, 2012 10:23:17pm

re: #1 William Barnett-Lewis

I am very fascinated by the NRA's appeal over these last years to false rumors of gun confiscations and the continued paranoid meme out there that the USA will be invaded by the UN or some such conspiracy theory (NRA does not do this themselves but I suspect surrogates do it for them).

I wonder if the current gun industry has been destroyed by the NRA and their whisper campaigns that Obama will confiscate their guns.

All these people who bought up guns waiting for the end times will then hoard them and then will realize the end times did not come and Obama is not confiscating guns and then decide to sell them. And they will all do it around the same time and the price of re-sold weapons - many of them new in the box will - drop and no one will buy guns from manufacturers when they can cheaply buy one of those "Obama hoarded" guns millions of Americans will place for sale.

5 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 4:45:22am

re: #1 William Barnett-Lewis

I get the impression that you don't realize that there are a whole hell of a lot of gun owners in America that LaPierre doesn't speak for.

Why?

That seems to be kind of the point of this article, no?

6 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:44:53am

Like other civil rights the 2nd Amendment needs factual strong and sincere advocacy. NRA/ILA is not that.

In all fairness-What the NRA still does very well is teach gun/hunter safety & marksmanship in it's classes. It has classes for those who want nothing to do with guns but may have to handle one in some extraordinary moment. Like a teacher that might find on in a desk or locker of a student.

One of their best efforts that needs to expand is for children. It's a cartoonish character that teaches this safety tip

If you see a gun-Stop. Don't touch. Get an adult.

It's a simple worthwhile way to teach safety.

I'd like to see the NRA refocus away from aggressive legislation like stand your ground. Spend the time on education.

7 aagcobb  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:01:17am

re: #4 Destro

I am very fascinated by the NRA's appeal over these last years to false rumors of gun confiscations and the continued paranoid meme out there that the USA will be invaded by the UN or some such conspiracy theory (NRA does not do this themselves but I suspect surrogates do it for them).

I wonder if the current gun industry has been destroyed by the NRA and their whisper campaigns that Obama will confiscate their guns.

All these people who bought up guns waiting for the end times will then hoard them and then will realize the end times did not come and Obama is not confiscating guns and then decide to sell them. And they will all do it around the same time and the price of re-sold weapons - many of them new in the box will - drop and no one will buy guns from manufacturers when they can cheaply buy one of those "Obama hoarded" guns millions of Americans will place for sale.

That is a fascinating theory; the gun industry destroyed by its own success in selling lots of guns. Like any manufactured product, it will go in cycles. Gun sales may tail off next year once people see no effort on the part of the President to grab their guns, but eventually pent up demand will result in new sales. Plus I expect that in 2016, we will see hysterical predictions that

Hillary is going to take our guns!!!11ty!!

8 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 7:51:51am

re: #6 Political Atheist

Like other civil rights the 2nd Amendment needs factual strong and sincere advocacy. NRA/ILA is not that.

In all fairness-What the NRA still does very well is teach gun/hunter safety & marksmanship in it's classes. It has classes for those who want nothing to do with guns but may have to handle one in some extraordinary moment. Like a teacher that might find on in a desk or locker of a student.

One of their best efforts that needs to expand is for children. It's a cartoonish character that teaches this safety tip

If you see a gun-Stop. Don't touch. Get an adult.

It's a simple worthwhile way to teach safety.

I'd like to see the NRA refocus away from aggressive legislation like stand your ground. Spend the time on education.

That kind of refocus will have to wait for 2017, and a president less agitating to the NRA's base. That agitation not coming from what Barack Obama done so much as who and what he is and who his friends are (though Obama's ill-advised "clinging to the guns and their religion" remarks served to cement the NRA's enmity to him).

9 Destro  Mon, Dec 10, 2012 1:04:05pm

re: #7 aagcobb

That is a fascinating theory; the gun industry destroyed by its own success in selling lots of guns. Like any manufactured product, it will go in cycles. Gun sales may tail off next year once people see no effort on the part of the President to grab their guns, but eventually pent up demand will result in new sales. Plus I expect that in 2016, we will see hysterical predictions that

I am reading about people buying 2 - 3 - 6 guns and lots and lots of ammo (some conspiracy theories say Obama/govt will ban or tax bullet sales rather than guns - depends on the theory in vogue on the internet at the time) and they may keep one gun but, times are tough so they sell their new guns - barely used or in some cases not used - and crates full of ammo and I assume they will sell at a loss since guns and ammo depreciate in value (if not collectible) and then why would anyone buy a new manufactured gun when they can buy a nearly new after market rifle or handgun for half or a quarter of the value and cheaper re-sold ammo?. Rifles tend to last a long time if well maintained until they are scrapped so I don't see demand for new manufactured guns finally surpassing re-sold guns in the next decade or more.


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