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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 9:58:37am

EI, please delete this Page. It's argumentative and most likely will just lead to a flame war.

2 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:03:53am

Maybe you're the one who should go first, EI. You could start here, then move on to addressing this.

3 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:05:07am

What a freaking ass you are, to think I used to respect you.

4 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:06:37am

re: #2 CuriousLurker

Maybe you're the one who should go first, EI. You could start here, then move on to addressing this.

PWN3D. Good work.

5 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:00:44am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

EI, please delete this Page. It's argumentative and most likely will just lead to a flame war.

He made an open accusation, then didn't back it up. How else do you think I should address it? Seriously.

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:02:08am

re: #5 Eclectic Infidel

He made an open accusation, then didn't back it up. How else do you think I should address it? Seriously.

Yes, you should address it seriously. It wasn't posted here, but many of us saw a link to it here. I'm not going to find it for you.

7 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:12:06am

re: #2 CuriousLurker

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that post. So he was referencing reality, after all. Go figure.

8 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:20:59am

re: #7 Eclectic Infidel

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that post. So he was referencing reality, after all. Go figure.

Nope, the first link was just to note your hypocrisy, the second was related to Varek's "reality". But, hey, you've already dug yourself a hole, so by all means keep digging yourself in deeper.

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:46:30am

"Forgot", heh.

Shouldn't you make an update at the top with an apology to Varek?

10 researchok  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:49:51am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

Well imagine that- a shit list I didn't make.
/

11 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:03:38pm

re: #10 researchok

Well imagine that- a shit list I didn't make.
/

Oh, I have a special one just for you. // ;)

12 researchok  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:05:49pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Be nice or you won't get that Middle East franchise to Beatings Day Care Centers.
/

13 Jimmah  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:33:40pm

re: #7 Eclectic Infidel

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that post. So he was referencing reality, after all. Go figure.

Yeah turns out you're a lying bag of shit. Go figure!

14 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:04:06pm

Dude. You need to stop drinking 12 gallons of coffee in the morning and take a couple of chill pills. Not just about this but for your overall attitude of late.

15 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:12:51pm

Is this you?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

16 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:15:02pm

EI,
The proof is in.

Now, what will you do? Remove the list? Apologize? Double down?

17 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:26:26pm

re: #15 Gus

Is this you?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He's got tags for specific people?

Wow.

18 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:29:26pm

re: #17 BongCrodny

He's got tags for specific people?

Wow.

Also tagged with "Oversensitivity." How's that for irony?

19 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:29:59pm

I'm on the fucking list!!!! What did I do?

20 jaunte  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:31:31pm

re: #19 Stanghazi

Join me on the new Abusers of Free Speech list.

21 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:31:35pm

re: #19 Stanghazi

I'm on the fucking list!!!! What did I do?

Might have been down dinging a Pat Condell video.

22 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:34:45pm

re: #19 Stanghazi

I'm on the fucking list!!!! What did I do?

And I'm not! I am more upset than you!

23 dragonath  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:36:16pm

Truly, Varek Raith is History's Greatest Monster

24 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:37:00pm

I was a welfare queen when I made it....hmmmm

25 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:39:35pm

re: #17 BongCrodny

He's got tags for specific people?

Wow.

Yep, there's even a tag for "Aminah", which is my Muslim name and something only people who frequent LGF would know as I've only mentioned it a couple of times and I don't use it in my profile.

26 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:40:30pm

re: #25 CuriousLurker

Yep, there's even a tag for "Aminah", which is my Muslim name and something only people who frequent LGF would know as I've only mentioned it a couple of times and I don't use it in my profile.

Hmm. That says something right there.

27 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:40:53pm

re: #23 dragonath

Truly, Varek Raith is History's Greatest Monster

Heh, I don't think Varek has even realized yet that he's at the center of this.

28 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:42:29pm

re: #26 Gus

Hmm. That says something right there.

Yep. This will tell you a good bit more.

29 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:46:12pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Yep. This will tell you a good bit more.

Should have read that first before searching. Not looking optimistic with this one. I think we're about to reach peak rage here any minute now.

30 Kronocide  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:49:34pm

What list? Can I bet on it?

31 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:50:26pm

re: #30 Kronocide

What list? Can I bet on it?

[Link: absurdcabal.blogspot.com...]

32 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:54:39pm

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

I heard this funny thump noise from my lawn mower though...

33 researchok  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:54:50pm

re: #30 Kronocide

Welcome to my world.
//

34 researchok  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:55:58pm

re: #31 Gus

Given there really are lunatics on here, I'm surprised none of them made the list.

35 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 2:04:08pm

re: #21 Gus

re: #19 Stanghazi

I'm on the fucking list!!!! What did I do?

Might have been down dinging a Pat Condell video.

It's not even a question of "might have". If you mouse over the names on the list, you'll see that Charles' name is linked to his comment referencing the Condell video. So he thanked Charles, then apparently went and posted that crap.

36 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 3:28:23pm

re: #5 Eclectic Infidel

37 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 4:06:14pm

re: #7 Eclectic Infidel

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that post.

Were you drunk at the time?

So he was referencing reality, after all. Go figure.

What the fuck happened to you? You used to be a rational, interesting and insightful commenter. Now you're just acting like a sniveling, slithering turd. You're actually harming whatever cause it is you think you're advancing. You're well on your way to becoming the antithesis of hasbara, some kind of proto Kahanist.

In a more perfect world, Judea and Samaria would be annexed and be made into a greater Israel. It's their land, after all.

I'm curious as to what, in this "more perfect world," happens to the Palestinians living there?

38 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 4:32:12pm

re: #24 Stanghazi

I was a welfare queen when I made it....hmmmm

I was Kyle's Mom, the Big Fat Bitch. (Hmmm that has a nice ring to it)

39 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:06:16pm

Why am I on that list?

40 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:20:11pm

re: #39 b_sharp

Why am I on that list?

Everyone who updinged this comment from Charles is on the list.

What stands out to me is that EI stewed on that for almost four whole days before posting his little "Traitors to Free Speech" list. That's a really passive aggressive and pathetic way to deal with a grudge.

41 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 5:38:47pm

re: #23 dragonath

Truly, Varek Raith is History's Greatest Monster

*Bows*

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Heh, I don't think Varek has even realized yet that he's at the center of this.

Totally didn't.
:)

EI, challenge accepted.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

42 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:05:25pm

Just in case anyone missed it in my comment in the other thread, he was also pretty smug about stirring things up at LGF over Rachel Corrie back in August as evidenced by his "anonymous" comment on this post at the blog where he apparently gets many of the stories for his Pages.

Anonymous said...

I posted Shattan's article at Little Green Footballs and the Young Turks there shat in their pants with rage. It was amusing.
September 13, 2012 12:48 AM

EI, remind me again who it is that's lacking in sincerity... //

43 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:25:47pm

I'm just one of the surprised at how EI went over the edge.

Blind idealism, especially blind religious idealism is dangerous.

44 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:54:47pm

re: #43 Stanghazi

I'm just one of the surprised at how EI went over the edge.

Blind idealism, especially blind religious idealism is dangerous.

It's not religious idealism. EI is an atheist, just like Buck.

It's about tribalism.

45 Stanghazi  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 6:57:41pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

It's not religious idealism. EI is an atheist, just like Buck.

It's about tribalism.

dang. tribalism is its own fever.

46 Kaessa  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 8:21:37pm

Still can't figure out how I ended up on this list. /

47 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:40:34am

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

I'm curious as to what, in this "more perfect world," happens to the Palestinians living there?

They continue living there. Like the million plus other Arab Palestinians who live in Israel.

They go about their daily lives, shop at Israeli malls, use Israeli services, frequent Israeli restaurants and bars, send their children to study at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and receive Israeli social and health benefits. Exactly as they do right now.

Maybe they apply for and obtain Israeli passports.

48 Aligarr  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:19:22am

Uh-oh looks like a flame war . If this is about Pat Condell , I dont think he's a bigot or a racist . He's simply being brutally frank. I like him . Oh well , I'm sure I'll be tied to someones whipping post for that .
p.s. I also like The Kid From Brooklyn .

49 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:20:33am

re: #46 Kaessa

Still can't figure out how I ended up on this list. /

You are one of the cool kids!/

50 Aligarr  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:20:46am

BTW ....SCREW THE PALESTINIANS , they're all out of excuses .

51 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:21:08am

re: #48 Aligarr

Uh-oh looks like a flame war . If this is about Pat Condell , I dont think he's a bigot or a racist . He's simply being brutally frank. I like him . Oh well , I'm sure I'll be tied to someones whipping post for that .
p.s. I also like The Kid From Brooklyn .

Pat Condell is a bigoted asshole.

52 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:08:43am

re: #48 Aligarr

Uh-oh looks like a flame war . If this is about Pat Condell , I dont think he's a bigot or a racist . He's simply being brutally frank. I like him . Oh well , I'm sure I'll be tied to someones whipping post for that .
p.s. I also like The Kid From Brooklyn .

Uh. The Kid From Brooklyn is a racist, sexist asshole and is probably worse than that bigot Pat Condell.

53 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 9:48:51am

There is no need to fasten a bell to a fool.
—Danish proverb

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:16:54am

re: #48 Aligarr

Uh-oh looks like a flame war . If this is about Pat Condell , I dont think he's a bigot or a racist . He's simply being brutally frank. I like him . Oh well , I'm sure I'll be tied to someones whipping post for that .
p.s. I also like The Kid From Brooklyn .

Thanks for clearly identifying yourself as a knuckle-dragger.

55 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 11:19:11am

If anyone wonders why I wrote that comment, just take a look at the YouTube videos of "The Kid From Brooklyn."

56 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:13:15pm

This is a video summary/interview of "The Kid From Brooklyn." brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers or IBEW.

It shows how he got started and what he does. He is a bit of a cartoon character, that is for sure. There does not seem to be any research done ahead of time, he just starts talking on a subject and lets you know what he thinks. Sometimes it might be pretty ignorant. However that could be said of Howard Stern just as easily.

If you want tickets to a sold out show, you want to know this guy....


================================
Clicking and watching this link does not add to his click or views. This is a link only to the IBEW Youtube channel.

57 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:18:27pm

re: #56 Buck

This is a video summary/interview of "The Kid From Brooklyn." brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers or IBEW.

[Embedded content]

It shows how he got started and what he does. He is a bit of a cartoon character, that is for sure. There does not seem to be any research done ahead of time, he just starts talking on a subject and lets you know what he thinks. Sometimes it might be pretty ignorant. However that could be said of Howard Stern just as easily.

If you want tickets to a sold out show, you want to know this guy....

================================
Clicking and watching this link does not add to his click or views. This is a link only to the IBEW Youtube channel.

Kid From Brooklyn- Speak English!!

NSFW

58 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:23:19pm

Of course it bothers me as well.

It bothers me that I didn't think of it first! (heh)

59 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:27:18pm

Gus, you really didn't have to quote me and make it seem like that link is from me.

You wanted to post it, you could have just posted it.

60 Gus  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:48:46pm

re: #59 Buck

Gus, you really didn't have to quote me and make it seem like that link is from me.

You wanted to post it, you could have just posted it.

Uh, I wasn't implying anything about you. I was just posting a video from this guy for other people to listen.

61 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 12:56:14pm

Good to get all the fail out on one Page. Efficient.

Could come in handy for Mr. Beaumont.

62 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:02:55pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

Good to get all the fail out on one Page. Efficient.

Could come in handy for Mr. Beaumont.

Funny how a completely idiotic page attracts idiots and idiotic behavior. It is a known fact that shit attracts flies, but here we have a case of shit attracting more shit!

63 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:05:45pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

If anyone wonders why I wrote that comment, just take a look at the YouTube videos of "The Kid From Brooklyn."

I just did. He's beyond disgusting. Anyone who claims that the type of bigotry & filth this cretin spews is in any way likable or amusing is indeed a knuckle-dragger and has no business whining & crying foul when the same sort of bigotry & filth is directed at groups they belong to.

What kind of parents raise kids who grow up thinking this sort of shit is acceptable?

64 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 1:07:36pm

re: #47 Buck

They continue living there. Like the million plus other Arab Palestinians who live in Israel.

They go about their daily lives, shop at Israeli malls, use Israeli services, frequent Israeli restaurants and bars, send their children to study at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and receive Israeli social and health benefits. Exactly as they do right now.

Maybe they apply for and obtain Israeli passports.

Do they vote in Israeli elections? Do their children?

65 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 4:53:54pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Do they vote in Israeli elections? Do their children?

Like any democracy, if they are citizens.

They have the right to apply for citizenship. Even if they don't they are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.

There are more than a million Arab Palestinian Israeli citizens in Israel. They have more rights (voting included) than any of their Arab brothers and sisters in Arab Muslim countries.

66 Buck  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:05:51pm

Arab citizens in Israel (about 20% of the total population) are granted the same rights as Jewish citizens under law.

I am surprised you don't know that?


Abdel Rahman Zuabi, a Muslim from northern Israel, was the first Arab on the Israeli Supreme Court.

Right now Israeli Supreme Court judge Salim Joubran is an Arab Palestinian.

67 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:53:06pm

re: #66 Buck

Arab citizens in Israel (about 20% of the total population) are granted the same rights as Jewish citizens under law.

I am surprised you don't know that?

I do know that. I also know that there's an upper limit on the number of non Jewish Arabs Israel can absorb and remain a majority Jewish state. The Arab citizens of Israel were made citizens because of the laws in place during the handover from the British.

Such denizens who were still within the territorial confines of Israel after the war were granted full Israeli citizenship. In order to determine who was eligible for citizenship under this provision, the state of Israel conducted a population registration in 1952 and again in the 1980s. Those found to meet the requirements obtained Israeli citizenship. For purposes regarding modern Israeli citizenship, this section is usually irrelevant.

Like any democracy, if they are citizens.

They have the right to apply for citizenship. Even if they don't they are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.

So if Judea and Sumeria are annexed shouldn't citizenship be granted automatically? The borders will have expanded to absorb the population in situ.

I understand that currently Israeli citizenship is granted on the basis of jus sanguinis and not jus solis. Naturalization for non Jewish residents is at the sole discretion of the Ministry of Interior. Additionally, under current law Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens are banned from attaining citizenship themselves.

Therefore it's reasonable to believe, should annexation occur, that significant hurdles exist to Israel simply absorbing the Palestinian population like they did previously with the Arabs already within their borders at the time of the nation's founding.

68 stabby  Sat, Dec 15, 2012 5:49:08pm

This sounds like an argument between 15 year-olds.

One of my insights after years of wasted typing is that most people on the internet aren't worth arguing with.

69 stabby  Sat, Dec 15, 2012 6:01:41pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I see what's going on.

70 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:09:20pm

re: #68 stabby

One of my insights after years of wasted typing is that most people on the internet aren't worth arguing with.

And yet here you are.

71 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:21:45pm

re: #69 stabby

Ah, I see what's going on.

Ah, and I see you managed to jump in--again--and start wagging your finger at us before attempting to understand the history behind what's going on or the group dynamics at play here.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the reason "most people on the internet aren't worth arguing with" is because their opponent is ill prepared and lacking in focus?

72 Buck  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 11:06:18am

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

You make a whole bunch of assumptions and guesses about this.

Should Israel be able to decide what the rules are regarding citizenship? Doesn't every country reserve that right?

I also know that there's an upper limit on the number of non Jewish Arabs Israel can absorb and remain a majority Jewish state. The Arab citizens of Israel were made citizens because of the laws in place during the handover from the British.

I say both of those assertions are false.

You assume these things. Would the arabs had been made citizens even if the British laws (that were hopelessly biased against Jews) were not in place?

You assume not, I assume so.

73 Buck  Tue, Dec 18, 2012 11:18:40am

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

Additionally, under current law Palestinians who marry Israeli citizens are banned from attaining citizenship themselves.

Automatically. They don't attain citizenship automatically.

This was used as a loop hole to get suicide bombers closer to their target.

Before that took effect, twenty Arab Palestinians with Israeli identity cards who were either married to Israelis or the offspring of such a marriage were suspected or proven ties to terrorist activities.

The idea of being more careful is a defensive action.


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