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1 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 16, 2012 7:33:44am

You have to be really careful with the argument that goes like

How many[incidents of x] are the pro [whatever] lobby going to tolerate before they stop blindly following something written on a piece of paper 200+ years ago? There is zero logic in it. Why not ask the question “actually, is this relevant any more and what is relevant for a safe society?”

From that can be derived an argument against each and every one of the amendments that make up the Bill of Rights. It's pretty much the exact argument the Bush administration made in favor or warrantless wiretapping, "extraordinary rendition", or John Yoo's thoughts about child testicles. It's the argument in favor of censorship. It's an argument against the entirety of the 4th and 5th amendments. That way lies madness.

2 EiMitch  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 4:49:32am
Which 221 years ago I assume means ‘To stop the British coming to fuck up our shit’. Doing a tiny bit of reading on Wikipedia (quiet, I’m aware it is patchy) I found that ‘In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defence within the home.’ I then went on to read a bit more of the Wikipedia entry on the 2nd amendment and found nowhere that says shooting up an entire class of children is legal, nor what the founding fathers would have wanted.

This is NOT "deconstructing" the 2nd amendment argument. Saying that child-murder isn't constitutional doesn't address the 2nd argument at all. Its a non sequitur.

You can argue that protecting children is more important than the 2nd amendment. But that still wouldn't be "deconstructing" the argument.

An argument that could actually be called "deconstruction" would be to point out that the supreme court also ruled in Columbia v Heller that the right to individual gun ownership does not exclude the government's authority to regulate it. Therefore, gun control is perfectly constitutional. The 2nd amendment is effectively a non-issue, except when arguing for outright gun-bans. That, or mandatory trigger-locks or other means of rendering a gun useless for self-defense.

Hey, don't get started on how/whether "self-defense" actually works IRL. Thats another topic. I'm just saying how SCotUS ruled on the subject.

3 Achilles Tang  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 3:39:39pm
I'm just saying how SCotUS ruled on the subject.

According to Scalia, SCOTUS rules as they intended back in the day. Today has no relevance.


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