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1 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 5:52:36pm

Wonder what will happen with Sons Of Guns?

2 Destro  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 5:55:29pm

These "shop" shows are rip offs of superior PBS fare where New Yankee Workshop and other shows actually show you how to make the item. These Discovery and History Channel "shop" shows (you know, building choppers or being a gunsmith) don't actually show you any technique and focus on fights in the shops, fake pranks they all allegedly play on each other and fake sales of big money items.

I would actually enjoy watching a show about a gunsmith family but this show was just a gun fetish show.

3 Destro  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 5:56:05pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Wonder what will happen with Sons Of Guns?

They got in trouble with the BATF and lost their license or some such.

4 TedStriker  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 6:02:12pm

re: #3 Destro

They got in trouble with the BATF and lost their license or some such.

That was in 2009, before the show started production; according to their Wiki, they have to have someone else with a valid FFL basically run the business:

According to TMZ.com, during a routine inspection by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in 2009, Red Jacket could not account for ten registered guns. In a settlement, William Hayden and Stephanie Hayden surrendered their gun-making licenses and were allowed to choose a licensed individual to control Red Jacket. Initially, that person was Vincent Buckles, but Buckles has left the company and now two other individuals control the company.[9]

In a WBRZ article, Attorney Craig Davidson, Jr., said that 10 guns did not go missing from the shop. Instead, one or two guns were stolen during 2001–2008. Davidson claimed the rest of the missing guns were receivers that were thrown away or destroyed when gunsmiths made mistakes. Although Davidson characterized the lost weapons as "simple bookkeeping errors", the ATF requires serial numbered parts to be tracked. Will and Stephanie Hayden did not keep track, so, according to Davidson, Hayden and the ATF mutually agreed to shut down Red Jacket, Inc. The WBRZ article is silent about Will and Stephanie Hayden surrendering any federal firearms licenses.[10]

Davidson further stated that at that time, Hayden was already in discussions with the Discovery Channel about the show and had plans to start another business, Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C.[11] Will Hayden is not an officer of Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. When Davidson was asked why Hayden was not an officer, Davidson stated the reason was a "confidential business decision".[10]

Several "Red Jacket" entities are registered in Louisiana. The first is Red Jacket, Inc. (filed April 6, 1999).[12] The officer is William M. Hayden, but the corporation is not in good standing because it failed to file an annual report. The second is Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C. (filed May 7, 2010).[13] As of January 7, 2012, the listed officers of the LLC are Joseph Whitney Meaux, Vincent Gordon Buckles, and Charles Riley Watson; neither Will Hayden nor Stephanie Hayden are listed as officers; records show that the listed officers were amended on 7/30/2010 and 6/8/2011.[13] A third entity is Red Jacket International, L.L.C. (filed April 6, 2011).[14] The officer is William M. Hayden. Other "Red Jacket" entities appear to be unrelated.

ATF has issued a federal firearms license (FFL) to Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C.[15]

Sounds like sloppy and incompetent management to me...people that have absolutely no business being in business to make and sell guns.

5 Destro  Mon, Dec 17, 2012 8:05:13pm

re: #4 TedStriker

Thanks. I read about that but after the show was on air but did not know the time sequence.


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