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1 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:03:03pm

That's what happens when you listen to propaganda all day, the problem is Fox knows exactly what they're doing and don't give a shit who it hurts.

2 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:07:42pm
‘Most Muslims are terrorists and don’t believe in Jesus Christ.’

The news media should accurately report this as a case of Christian terrorism

3 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 12:13:17pm

Lovely. The power of propaganda on the human mind people.

4 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:13:20pm

Crazy people be crazy.

Fox News has never said that or anything like that.

5 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:19:01pm

re: #4 Buck

Crazy people be crazy.

Fox News has never said that or anything like that.

Buck for the sake of firmly planting the goal posts could you please define "that"?

6 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:22:53pm
An Indiana man convicted of setting fire to a mosque in Ohio told a judge on Wednesday that he committed the crimes because Fox News and conservative talk radio had convinced him that ‘most Muslims are terrorists.’

Crazy people be crazy.
Fox News has never said that or anything like that.

Better?

7 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:24:26pm

re: #6 Buck

Crazy people be crazy.
Fox News has never said that or anything like that.

Better?

Just to be 100% clear

"that"="Most Muslims are terrorists"?

8 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:31:02pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

Just to be 100% clear

"that"="Most Muslims are terrorists"?

Obdicut? Is that you?

Really? James?

9 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:37:42pm

re: #8 Buck

Obdicut? Is that you?

Really? James?

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Brian Kilmeade: That debate is almost like our debate on training wheels. That was our debate seven weeks ago. And they can’t handle the give and take of the debate. They were outraged that someone was saying that there was a reason there was a certain group of people that attacked us on 9/11. It wasn’t just one person, it was one religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

"Not all Muslims are terrorists."

Buck do you commonly use the phrase "Not all" to refer to 49% or less of a group?

That's the first one to jumps to mind and if you can't see how

"Not All Muslims are terrorists" can lead to "Most Muslims ARE terrorists..." Well lets see what else I can google up that would fall under the heading of "like that"

10 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:42:57pm

That clip is missing something James. It gets cut off kinda sudden.

What is Brian talking about? He is talking about what happened when O'Reilly went on the view.

Do you know what happened? Or are you uninformed?

11 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:48:39pm

re: #10 Buck

That clip is missing something James. It gets cut off kinda sudden.

What is Brian talking about? He is talking about what happened when O'Reilly went on the view.

Do you know what happened? Or are you uninformed?

Buck if you believe I am mistaken/misinformed please make your argument in full rather than asking me to make your argument for you.

12 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 1:50:47pm

re: #6 Buck

Crazy people be crazy.
Fox News has never said that or anything like that.

Better?

I don't know. I've distinctly heard Fox say "this" as well as "that", "the", "other" and "thing.

No, it's not better, but keep playing little semantic games.

13 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:00:10pm

Next up


[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

From Gretchen Carlson

“Do you actually believe you can get into this country, ” she asked. “Will you be able to fill out the application accurately when you’re asked these questions, because the tourist visa requires you to answer these questions: Have you been involved in acts of terrorism or plan to commit crimes in the United States?”


Once again not saying a Muslims are terrorists but it's the "like that" which is the sticking point.

The man she is interviewing argues in favor of Sharia law in America, can you imagine someone getting asked if they are a terrorist just because they argue that America should be run along laws based in the old and or new testament?

It's an implicit argument that if someone believes strongly in Islam they must be a terrorist.

14 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:02:52pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

Buck if you believe I am mistaken/misinformed please make your argument in full rather than asking me to make your argument for you.

I did make my argument.

He is talking about what happened when O'Reilly went on the view.

That means that he is not making a point in a vacuum. He is not just making a statement that you can quote, leaving out the context. He, like you (in your #9) is discussing what he heard others talking about.

Let me give you another example.

Bill Maher said to his guest Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book’.

Is it ok to say that HBO teaches that the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book?

Of course not.

Maher is also alarmed that the most popular name for a baby boy in England was Mohammed.

HBO Hate filled cable station?

15 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:03:50pm

Fox says shit that group-blames Muslims all the fucking time. Anyone who's not a totally dishonest asshole knows this.

For example, Dick Morris:

MORRIS: I just want to say one thing before your music comes. The guys who want to build the ground zero mosque have applied for federal funds from the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, the entities created to rebuild after 9-11. I'm outraged by that, and if you go to DickMorris.com, please sign the petition, the upper right-hand corner of the site, to stop this. To ask us to pay for their mosque, to rub our noses in it, after 9-11 and teach sharia law at that mosque is absolutely incredible. It's August 29, otherwise I would think it's April 1. [Fox News, Hannity, 8/29/11, via Media Matters]

It doesn't make any sense to say that Park51-- which is for the kind of Muslims Al-Queada fucking hates and wants to kill-- is 'rubbing our noses in it'. It only makes sense if you're group-blaming all Muslims for 9/11.

Eric Bolling claims that all terrorists in the US have been Muslims. An obvious lie. Then claims that all the terrorists in the past 15 years have been Muslims. Another lie.

Morris also said this:

“The issue here is not religious freedom and it’s not people worshipping God through the Islamic religion,That’s wonderful. But there are a lot of Muslims, about 80% of the mosques, according to a study by the Center for Security Policy, teach Sharia law as the main event at their mosques. … In this case, the law is a very violent law, stoning of women, killing women who are committing adultery, just horrific stuff.”

Gee, I wonder how Fox could possibly inspire anyone to attack a mosque?

16 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:09:50pm

re: #14 Buck

I did make my argument.

He is talking about what happened when O'Reilly went on the view.

That means that he is not making a point in a vacuum. He is not just making a statement that you can quote, leaving out the context. He, like you (in your #9) is discussing what he heard others talking about.

Let me give you another example.

Bill Maher said to his guest Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book’.

Is it ok to say that HBO teaches that the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book?

Of course not.

Maher is also alarmed that the most popular name for a baby boy in England was Mohammed.

HBO Hate filled cable station?

Would the same apply to this then?

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Jesse Walters: “I think Columbia University is a different type of school. I mean, these people were doing mental acrobats, trying to de-link Islam from terrorism.”


Implicit in this argument that terrorism and Islam are linked, which in turn implicitly argues that this would be so because most followers of Islam are terrorists.

Would it be fair to say that Catholicism and Pedophilia are linked when only a small minority of catholic priests engage in such behavior?

17 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:10:56pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

Again you leave out the context.

You might be right if she was talking to just some random follower of Islam. However that is not the case by a long shot.

Anjem Choudary has supported terrorism, including the attacks on 9/11. That makes the question very relevant. He is not just a random muslim. He has a history. Again context.

18 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:16:11pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat


Again you are quoting way out of context.

And you didn't answer my question.

Is it ok to say that HBO teaches that the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book?

19 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:25:16pm

re: #18 Buck

Again you are quoting way out of context.

And you didn't answer my question.

Is it ok to say that HBO teaches that the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book?

Then what is the correct context for my quote that does not argue that Islam and Terroism are linked?

And of course it's not okay to say that about HBO.

20 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:23:03pm

God Buck have you been asleep for the last few years Fox is always saying shit like that.

21 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:24:51pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

Then what is the correct context for my quote that does not argue that Islam and Terroism are linked?

A Wounded Iraq veteran was jeered for speaking in Columbia University.

22 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:25:30pm

The mosque and any victims or potential victims should sue Fox News for a billion.

23 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:27:28pm

re: #21 Buck

A Wounded Iraq veteran was jeered for speaking in Columbia University.

Why does that context require saying that people are "trying to de-link Islam from terrorism.”?

I don't get why you can't say those students were not showing the soldier proper respect without bringing Muslims into it.

24 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:30:23pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

I'm too tired to figure out context of all this, but Chaudry and his group Al-Muhajiroun are well know. They're a hate group.

They march through London with hate signs calling for the subjugation of Europe, for terrorism, for death to apostates and to anyone who criticizes Islam. They've probably called for death to Jews too.

It's a mystery why the London police don't enforce hate crimes laws against them.

25 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:31:08pm

Er, for more than subjugation, for actual war and attacks on Europe.

26 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:32:30pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat

Again, you have to see the whole discussion.

It wasn't about showing respect. It was about how they like to generalize but are against generalization.

Just like you are doing right now.

27 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:40:50pm

Here's your next snippet to rebuff Buck.

O'Reilly: "Our Media, our Liberal Media, which dominates. There is a conservative media to, but the liberal media outnumber conservative media five to one. They now are buying into the 'Genteel Islam'"


The fact that O'Reilly argues that there is a "Genteel Islam" to be bought into would argue that gentility is not the true face of Islam and thus the true face of Islam/what it is about at the core must be the opposite of that, violence and barbarism, which of course goes hand in hand with terrorism.

28 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:56:22pm

re: #26 Buck

Again, you have to see the whole discussion.

It wasn't about showing respect. It was about how they like to generalize but are against generalization.

Just like you are doing right now.

But in the process of making that argument Fox is presenting Islam and Terrorism as being linked aren't they? Because if they're not, why are they attacking those kids for de-linking them?

After all if they aren't linked, then de-linking them isn't refusing to generalize, it's about not seeing connections which aren't really there.

29 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:02:14pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

The easiest so far.

No one says anything about violence, barbarism or terrorism. You are making that up in your head, which could say more about your racism than it does Foxs.

IF I was willing to generalize, infer and insinuate. Which I am not.

30 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:04:51pm

re: #29 Buck

The easiest so far.

No one says anything about violence, barbarism or terrorism. You are making that up in your head, which could say more about your racism than it does Foxs.

IF I was willing to generalize, infer and insinuate. Which I am not.

"Your Racism"?


All I'm doing is plugging in antonyms for "Genteel" because if Gentility is not the true face it goes without saying that the opposite of it is.

31 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:06:26pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

why are they attacking those kids for de-linking them?

I explained that they were not attacking them for de-linking.

A group of students from that exact University shouted "racist" and hissed and booed when a wheelchair-bound Purple Heart recipient who was shot 11 times during his time in Iraq spoke in support of ROTC.

Making them seem like idiots was pretty funny.

32 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:12:47pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

All I'm doing is plugging in antonyms for "Genteel" because if Gentility is not the true face it goes without saying that the opposite of it is.

Funny. That is your interpretation based on a snippet that I have shown is out of context.

Out of context means that the context was not shown. The actual subject is hidden and the you are making up what you think 'goes without saying' based on your own prejudice.

33 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:18:23pm

Now, if someone at Fox news had said the two statements that Bill Maher said would you be using them to try and prove your point?

If someone says the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book' it goes without saying that they think everyone who follows that book to be hate filled....Right?

34 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:24:21pm

re: #33 Buck

Now, if someone at Fox news had said the two statements that Bill Maher said would you be using them to try and prove your point?

If someone says the Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book' it goes without saying that they think everyone who follows that book to be hate filled....Right?

Yeah, though I have no idea how this has anything to do with the issue of What Fox News has and has not said about Muslims.

35 Buck  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:27:49pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

Yeah, though I have no idea how this has anything to do with the issue of What Fox News has and has not said about Muslims.

Because you would be wrong then as well. That is what it has to with.

36 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:29:44pm

re: #35 Buck

Because you would be wrong then as well. That is what it has to with.

So you're saying is that I lack the capacity/skill/wisdom at the moment to judge what is and is not a fair statement of proving a group of people have said things along the lines of "Most Muslims are terrorists"?

37 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 4:33:27pm

re: #36 jamesfirecat

No, what he's saying is that it doesn't matter what you say, he's going to argue and belabor the whatever it is. I can't say point because he's changed that repeatedly.

He's a complete waste of time.

38 jamesfirecat  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 5:41:22pm

re: #35 Buck

Because you would be wrong then as well. That is what it has to with.

Clearly I can not tell when someone is saying something that is comparable to all Muslims are terrorists and thus I have no choice, but, to sing the very sorry song.

39 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:04:18pm

The fact is that fox news and right wing radio consistently talk about terrorism and Islam being closely linked. This man listens to fox news and right wing radio and got the impression that all Muslims are terrorists. If fox news and right wing radio have at any time talked about how most Muslims aren't terrorists and this guy simply has a mistaken impression of what he is being told, feel free to link us to it.


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