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1 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 6:42:02pm

I just want it to get to the point where the media keeps bringing up how obsolete the phase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" is.

Militas are a very bad idea. When other states have them we call those states "failed states"

And how are gun owners members of a milita let alone "well regulated" ones? And any militas in our country are not official, not regulated!

We have the police, the FBI, homeland security, The Army, The Navy, The Marines, The National Guard.

The last thing we need is are militias too.

Lets just all admit that the second amendment is obsolete, and that it's promise of gun rights was predicated on an obsolete institution.

2 Red Falcons of America  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:16:34pm

The national guard is a militia.

There are plenty of nations that have 'well regulated militias' and as such have abolished there standing army. The Scandinavia countries are like these, where each any every citizen is trained in through the militia.

3 stabby  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 7:28:28pm

re: #2 War On Music

Does it make sense to say
"you have the right to own a gun because you might join the national guard one day?"

I don't think so.

What if you're not qualified for the national guard?

4 Destro  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:59:53am

re: #1 stabby

re: #2 War On Music

I posted this under my own title on December 20th here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

When Black Panthers demonstrated with rifles in public Reagan’s California GOP passed gun control laws with the approval of NRA

5 euphgeek  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:07:42am

One time I asked a someone from the other side of the debate why they keep ignoring the part about a well-regulated militia and they gave me some nonsense about there being a semi-colon after that phrase. I asked him what the phrase meant alone if it wasn't meant to go with the second part and he didn't have an answer.

6 Destro  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:14:40am

re: #5 euphgeek

One time I asked a someone from the other side of the debate why they keep ignoring the part about a well-regulated militia and they gave me some nonsense about there being a semi-colon after that phrase. I asked him what the phrase meant alone if it wasn't meant to go with the second part and he didn't have an answer.

The new idea from the fringe right is the militia means it's informal and not needing any structure. Why? Because the govt will have your name in a database and come and get you when the president of the USA becomes a Hitler like dictator and only the unregulated regulated militia will be there to repel the Soviet Union invasion and free Americans from concentration camps.....wait a minute....is that the plot for "Red Dawn"?

7 euphgeek  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 11:17:41am

re: #6 Destro

So now that we have them unable to ignore the word "militia", can "well-regulated" be too far behind?

8 stabby  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:20:11pm

re: #5 euphgeek

One time I asked a someone from the other side of the debate why they keep ignoring the part about a well-regulated militia and they gave me some nonsense about there being a semi-colon after that phrase. I asked him what the phrase meant alone if it wasn't meant to go with the second part and he didn't have an answer.

What the fuck? It's a comma! It's a dependent clause; it's just normal English grammar.

9 euphgeek  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 12:47:04pm

re: #8 stabby

Exactly. Even if it was a semicolon, though, it wouldn't magically erase the "well regulated militia" phrase or make it irrelevant.


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