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1 Kdizzle  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:44:15pm

I know I for one would rather see large parts of the population of Earth die off in a massive famine than eat a genetically modified organism, even though there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this organism is harmful to ones health when ingested.

Because the thought just sounds so icky you know.

And you know corn and grain fertilized with cow shit just sounds just so much more healthier to me than the same crops fertilized with nitrogen and phosphorus. Because the E. Coli species of bacteria is a total virulent pussy and in no way will ever infect me and other like minded people at a higher rate than those who differ in there eating habits./

2 Mich-again  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 9:26:17pm

I think this species poses a greater threat to other fish than it does to humans who eat it.

3 EiMitch  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 10:15:18pm

re: #1 Kdizzle

If someone just releases these fast-growing fish into the rivers and oceans, they would f***-up the food chain by overeating everything smaller than them. Simple logic.

Then again, if these GM fish are kept in fisheries and out of the wild, then I fail to see an environmental problem. If I had any say, that would be the restriction I place upon this.

We've been overfishing the oceans. We need to put a stop to that. Used wisely, GM fish might be the answer.

On second thought, salmon aren't that useful in this case. They need to go from freshwater to the ocean and back again in their life-cycle. I think we should GM some freshwater fish to be bred and raised exclusively in aquaponic greenhouses. Preferably commercial-scale.

4 researchok  Sun, Dec 23, 2012 11:36:01pm

A whole new meaning to Frankenfish

5 fantasmaguero  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:50:13am

re: #1 Kdizzle

I know I for one would rather see large parts of the population of Earth die off in a massive famine than eat a genetically modified organism, even though there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this organism is harmful to ones health when ingested.

Because the thought just sounds so icky you know.

And you know corn and grain fertilized with cow shit just sounds just so much more healthier to me than the same crops fertilized with nitrogen and phosphorus. Because the E. Coli species of bacteria is a total virulent pussy and in no way will ever infect me and other like minded people at a higher rate than those who differ in there eating habits./

Lopsidedly anthropocentric argument. It's not merely about whether or not eating the salmon would have adverse health effects on humans. (For one thing, regardless of how carefully farmed may be this particular salmon, it would not only be humans consuming this fish.) The broader issue of biodiversity loss, and how the introduction of such a species can have irreversible impact on the genetics of other species - is a legitimate cause for concern.

To project "Ew, icky!" as the monolithic "other side" of the debate is to stand up a straw man. You may be sold on the idea that sufficient quantitative gain > qualitative risk, but count me skeptical.

6 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:53:49am

re: #5 fantasmaguero

Lopsidedly anthropocentric argument. It's not merely about whether or not eating the salmon would have adverse health effects on humans. (For one thing, regardless of how carefully farmed may be this particular salmon, it would not only be humans consuming this fish.) The broader issue of biodiversity loss, and how the introduction of such a species can have irreversible impact on the genetics of other species - is a legitimate cause for concern.

To project "Ew, icky!" as the monolithic "other side" of the debate is to stand up a straw man. You may be sold on the idea that sufficient quantitative gain > qualitative risk, but count me skeptical.

It's OK to be skeptical, but something does have to be done. Better to eat frankensalmon than not to have fish available at all. Good security practices can keep them from escaping into the wild and the Fed and state fisheries agencies should incorporate such practices as regulations and then vigorously enforce them.

To wingnuts, that last sentence makes me a socialist.


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