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1 sffilk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 3:56:07pm

Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. While it isn't as egregious, there's a case here in the States where, for instance, a Wiccan was fired for her beliefs. I as a Jew can be fired for mine where I live. The two "major faiths" as far as numbers (Christianity and Islam) keep talking about the war on their belief systems, yet they are the ones who are engaging in war which makes their belief systems into the bad parties.

2 aagcobb  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 4:20:10pm

re: #1 sffilk

Unfortunately, this doesn't surprise me. While it isn't as egregious, there's a case here in the States where, for instance, a Wiccan was fired for her beliefs. I as a Jew can be fired for mine where I live. The two "major faiths" as far as numbers (Christianity and Islam) keep talking about the war on their belief systems, yet they are the ones who are engaging in war which makes their belief systems into the bad parties.

It is illegal to fire someone because of their religion. Of course, you have to be able to prove that was the reason for the termination.

3 HappyWarrior  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:17:14pm

And this is what should be pointed to whenever a right wing politician whines that "Christians are an oppressed minority" in this country. This doesn't surprise me though.

4 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 5:55:00pm

Religion is among the most utterly devious, vile, malicious, intellectually devoid and outright disgusting of human pursuits. Merry Christmas!

5 sffilk  Mon, Dec 24, 2012 8:53:50pm

re: #2 aagcobb

It is illegal to fire someone because of their religion. Of course, you have to be able to prove that was the reason for the termination.

I live in a state where you can be fired for no reason, including your religion, and you have no recourse. It may seem illegal, but there are some states where that doesn't matter.

6 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 12:27:11am

re: #5 sffilk

I live in a state where you can be fired for no reason, including your religion, and you have no recourse. It may seem illegal, but there are some states where that doesn't matter.

No there aren't. Even in employment-at-will states, it is a violation of federal law to fire someone because of their religious beliefs. The difficulty is in proving that your religion is the real reason for the termination.

7 Destro  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 12:42:28am

A lot of the above religious clamp downs are due to nationalism. For example you can go to jail in Turkey for a religious blasphemy charge and for saying anything bad about or denying the official Turkish national narrative.

The Turkish nationalism mythology fascinates me since I read about it in college.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Article 301 of the Turkish penal code, which is perceived as being contrary to notion of freedom of speech, states "The person who publicly denigrates the Turkish Nation, the Republic of Turkey, the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, the Government of the Republic of Turkey and the judicial organs of the State, shall be punished with imprisonment of six months to two years.

8 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 12:56:34pm

re: #7 Destro

A lot of the above religious clamp downs are due to nationalism. For example you can go to jail in Turkey for a religious blasphemy charge and for saying anything bad about or denying the official Turkish national narrative.

The Turkish nationalism mythology fascinates me since I read about it in college.

I get why Ataturk had that written, but laws like it choke off discussion, ensuring uniformity of stated opinion and preventing any reevaluation of the 'sacred' worldview or the events underlying it.


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