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1 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 5:31:32am

But...but Jesus can't be the original Tea partier. He wasn't white.

2 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:56:30am

The Tea Partiers don't seem to worry about the poor and the sick very much, there might be a little problem there with their thinking on this.

3 EiMitch  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:14:30am

The original libertarian? Ha! More like the original hippie. Jesus rebelled against all establishments, not just the government. He wasn't pro-business. He certainly wasn't pro-capitalist.

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. - Luke 18:25

This clown-shoe is equating the welfare state with an ancient, corrupt oligarchy. And he does it to rationalize opposing taxes and regulations upon a modern, corrupt oligarchy.

But he's talking about Jesus out of context so he must be right! /sarc

4 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 9:04:05am

Not the brightest bulb on the tree is he?

In the Gospels, government is exposed as evil right from Jesus’ birth. A paranoid Herod is willing to kill all of the babies in the kingdom to try to eliminate the perceived threat represented by Jesus.

Government in our culture is elected by the adult population. Herod was not government, he was a non-elected tyrant representing a foreign occupying force.

Tax collectors are considered de facto sinners, on a par with prostitutes. Libertarians would consider this unfair to prostitutes, but for the times this couldn’t land better.

Tax collectors were part of the occupying force and were viewed as invaders or as collaborators. Taxes collected were not used to improve the lives of the people but to support the military infrastructure.

Jesus himself doesn’t disappoint, either. From the moment he begins his ministry, he wages a nonstop verbal war against the hypocritical, oppressive, tax-devouring Temple priests. Jews at the time were required to pay annual taxes to the priests and were also expected to come and make sacrifices at the Jerusalem Temple. Of course, they had to buy the livestock for the sacrifices from the priests and deal with the priests’ money changers in order to do that.

This has nothing to do with government and everything to do with religion exercising its free market options by charging as much as possible.

That’s why the libertarian from Galilee kicked them out. This would have been considered a revolutionary act.

One can’t help but equate Jerusalem at that time with Washington, DC, an entire city of tax-fed, opulent wealth.

Except the analogy fails at the most basic level. DC wealth, such as it is, is built by and sustained by free market lobbyists influencing the policies of government. That's hardy tax-fed wealth.

Jesus has no patience for excessive regulation, either. When he encounters a Jewish law that does not address actual criminal activity, he encourages his followers to break it. When the meddling scribes confront Jesus with allowing his disciples to eat without washing their hands, Jesus lets loose with his customary anti-government invective, calling them hypocrites and then instructing “the people” to ignore this idiotic law and focus on not committing real crimes instead. (Mark 7:1-23)

A regulation intended to restrict the spread of diseases that when ignored contributed to the black death several centuries later. A regulation that while not designed to address crime was necessary for the health of the populace (even though the people of the time didn't know why).

A typical libertarian averse to actually thinking beyond the shallow philosophy of Rand and into the lengthy and complex causal chains that make up modern societies.

5 Mich-again  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:28:47am

That article misses the entire point. Jesus did not advocate rebellion against the civil authorities. He had an ongoing dispute with corrupt Religious authorities. He did not shun tax collectors, he reached out to them.

6 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:11:53am

Would Jesus had been an NRA member and used a Bushmaster? Hell yeah, he would.

7 alinuxguru  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:13:16am

The baby Jesus was the last homeless person that tea partiers liked.

8 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:18:47am

re: #7 alinuxguru

The baby Jesus was the last homeless person that tea partiers liked.

He wasn't homeless. His mother and her fiance were forced to leave their home to go to Bethlehem to pay a tax and be counted by the Roman Census. After Mary recovered enough to travel (and Joseph presumably paid the tax and had the census list himself, Mary, and Jesus), they returned to their home with Mary's newborn son.

9 dragonath  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:24:55am
Tax collectors are considered de facto sinners, on a par with prostitutes. Libertarians would consider this unfair to prostitutes, but for the times this couldn’t land better.

Hello, Saint Matthew?

It just goes to show you, some people are against equality in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of the Lord.

10 Randall Gross  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 11:33:42am

Well bummer, I was just going to post the warrior Jesus killing Santa with his Ak-47 video but the account's been suspended at Youtube for copyright violations.

11 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 12:53:18pm

re: #9 dragonath

Hello, Saint Matthew?

It just goes to show you, some people are against equality in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of the Lord.

The Gospels were divinely inspired, but they were still the product of human beings and human beings are flawed.

12 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 1:57:14pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

His mother and her fiance were forced to leave their home to go to Bethlehem to pay a tax and be counted by the Roman Census

I suggest you think about this and why it makes no sense at all. Could you pack everything up and go to your ancestral home from 1000 years ago? Would you even know where to go?

Exactly how would that have worked, and why on earth would the Romans do such a thing, particularly since there are no Roman records at all mentioning such a census?

13 dragonfire1981  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 3:08:33pm

I believe the census was a ruse by Herod to ascertain where Jesus was (so he could find and kill him) and not any kind of official event.

14 b_sharp  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 6:35:06pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

He wasn't homeless. His mother and her fiance were forced to leave their home to go to Bethlehem to pay a tax and be counted by the Roman Census. After Mary recovered enough to travel (and Joseph presumably paid the tax and had the census list himself, Mary, and Jesus), they returned to their home with Mary's newborn son.

I thought they headed to Egypt.

15 Destro  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:20:14pm

re: #1 dragonfire1981

re: #2 Tigger2

re: #3 EiMitch

re: #4 b_sharp

re: #5 Mich-again

re: #6 Skip Intro

re: #7 alinuxguru

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

re: #9 dragonath

[Link: the-peoples-forum.com...]

Jesus is a big government tax and spend socialist

16 Aligarr  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 7:22:53pm

Jesus said "whose image is on the coin ? therefore render unto Caersar that which is Caesar's and unto G_D what is G-D's " / " love thine enemy and if he has you carry a burden for a mile carry it two miles " / " any man who says he loves G_D and hates his brother , that man is a Liar " / " how can a man say he loves G_d who he has not seen , yet hate his brother who he has seen "/
" any man who hates his brother , that man is already guilty of murder " / " pray to your Father in private where no one can see you ,do not pray aloud for the approval of men will be your reward " /
[paraphrased but accurate]
Tea Party co-opting Jesus = sick joke

17 Origuy  Tue, Dec 25, 2012 8:09:59pm

Tax collection in the Roman Republic and early Empire was privatized.

The collection of taxes for the Roman government was in the hands of the equestrian order. The members of this order, in turn, sold the privilege to prominent men in the provinces, who, after figuring a good profit, turned the matter over to the tax-gatherers proper, all of whom were just as anxious to turn a penny to their own account. The result was a system of robbery which left nothing to be desired for thoroughness. Unjust valuation, extortion, blackmail, was the order of the day, and the people had to suffer. The Talmud distinguishes two classes of publicans, the tax-gatherer in general and the custom-house official.

18 Mich-again  Wed, Dec 26, 2012 9:45:01pm

Romans 13:1-7

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.


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