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1 calochortus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 8:59:01am

Apparently a reliance on magic is pretty deeply hardwired into us, and for many people religious faith is really a way to try to tap into the power of magic.

I recommend Religion and the Decline of Magic by Keith Thomas as a fascinating look at religion in England in the 16th and 17th centuries and what happened with the move from Catholicism to Protestantism (with its prohibition against practicing magic.)

People haven't changed all that much since then.

2 iceweasel  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:14:44pm

Great page, FT. I'll come back to it later to read it again.

3 Russell Gmirkin  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:20:05pm

Thank you for taking note of my book, Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (New York-London: T & T Clark International, 2006). Neil Godfrey is doing a nice job of summarizing the arguments I present there. But for the record it is not necessary to address me as "Dr." Gmirkin -- Mr. Gmirkin will do nicely.

Best regards (and thanks anyway),
Russell E. Gmirkin

"Now, I’m not convinced by Dr. Gmirkin and Mr. Godfrey that the Pentateuch was necessarily originally written in Ptolemaic Alexandria, but if those 'Books of Moses' didn’t originate there then they certainly were seriously redacted at that time and place."

4 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 4:29:33pm

re: #3 Russell Gmirkin

Welcome, hatchling.

5 Destro  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:16:55pm

re: #3 Russell Gmirkin

Thank you for taking note of my book, Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (New York-London: T & T Clark International, 2006). Neil Godfrey is doing a nice job of summarizing the arguments I present there. But for the record it is not necessary to address me as "Dr." Gmirkin -- Mr. Gmirkin will do nicely.

Best regards (and thanks anyway),
Russell E. Gmirkin

"Now, I’m not convinced by Dr. Gmirkin and Mr. Godfrey that the Pentateuch was necessarily originally written in Ptolemaic Alexandria, but if those 'Books of Moses' didn’t originate there then they certainly were seriously redacted at that time and place."

You magnificent bastard! I read your book!

6 Destro  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:19:23pm

re: #1 calochortus

Apparently a reliance on magic is pretty deeply hardwired into us, and for many people religious faith is really a way to try to tap into the power of magic.

Want to get trippy?

7 calochortus  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 5:47:18pm

re: #6 Destro

My, he does natter on, doesn't he?

8 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 7:16:18pm

By insisting that every single word of the Bible is infallibly true and accurate, Biblical literalists have made the Bible into an idol. In that sense, the Bible to them represents everything that it means to be Christian. So, whenever anyone questions the veracity or provenance of Scripture, the literalists go into attack mode, because the very foundation of their faith is being questioned.

So, I wonder, if Moses came down from Sinai to find his People worshiping a book, would he have smashed the book with the tablets?

9 Destro  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 8:21:00pm

re: #7 calochortus

My, he does natter on, doesn't he?

You should have toked up or did some shrooms before watching.....

10 Destro  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 8:23:16pm

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi

By insisting that every single word of the Bible is infallibly true and accurate, Biblical literalists have made the Bible into an idol. In that sense, the Bible to them represents everything that it means to be Christian. So, whenever anyone questions the veracity or provenance of Scripture, the literalists go into attack mode, because the very foundation of their faith is being questioned.

So, I wonder, if Moses came down from Sinai to find his People worshiping a book, would he have smashed the book with the tablets?

There was no Moses and there was no Exodus just like there was no Jason and his Argonauts. But there was a myth and there is truth in mythology and what they represent.

11 Russell Gmirkin  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 10:55:03pm

re: #5 Destro

Also for the record, it is not strictly necessary to address me as "magnificent." I also answer to "You bastard!", although that usually comes from my critics, not my fans.

Best,
Russell Gm.

"You magnificent bastard! I read your book!"

12 Destro  Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:56:06am

re: #11 Russell Gmirkin

Also for the record, it is not strictly necessary to address me as "magnificent." I also answer to "You bastard!", although that usually comes from my critics, not my fans.

Best,
Russell Gm.

"You magnificent bastard! I read your book!"

Dear magnificent, no seriously. I long ago self concluded that the Pentateuch was pretty much a Hellenistic era invention but I did not have the scholarly ability to delve into it since I moved on from school to a well paying job. Then I came across your book on Amazon and read it. While I had a hunch I had nothing to back it up and your book did that in spades.

People like you are why I left academia behind - because I knew I could not perform at that level of scholarship.


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