Pages

Jump to bottom

14 comments

1 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 4:11:10am

I think Piers is an absolute turd for giving this demagogue a national stage. In this rant Alex Jones totally wins in the eyes of the gun nuts, and he gish gallops through shouting over Piers without challenge. Alex isn’t embarrassed here at all, he knows this appearance will draw many more to his sites and that he will become a hero to the right. Piers is playing Alex’s game and it’s thoroughly sad.

2 rosiee  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 4:23:45am

I disagree, this allowed CNN’s mainstream audience who might have heard of AJ but not seen him to experience him, it goes to prove Morgans’ point that the gun nuts are exactly that. First the Gun Owners Spokesman/Chairman, then the Motorcity Madman, now Jones. The point is that there is no sane argument for more guns.

3 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 4:27:48am

re: #2 rosiee

You give the mainstream audience more rationality than they actually possess. Each of Alex’s points was shouted at least three times, and even if they come away thinking that Alex is a nut they will also think ‘but he had some good points, and Piers wasn’t able to counter them” I think you need to look at the history of “shouting heads” debates — it’s the demagogue who comes away with the win in audience ratings in most cases. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a creationist debate, or a presidential debate.

4 rosiee  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 4:59:03am

It’s not about some High Rationality, it’s about seeing a grown man act like a child. Everyone’s seen their kid or their sister’s kid act like AJ there.

5 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:10:26am

I still think you are giving the audience too much credit - these are the same audiences who thought Mitt Romney won the first presidential debate by talking over the moderator and the president. Piers gave Alex everything he wanted, and he loved it. While some will see through him the converts he gained to Prison Planet and infowars are not worth it.

The proof is in the pudding: snippets of this are all over right wing sites praising the job Alex jones did. CNN got the circus they wanted, the wingnuts got what they wanted, and the traditional left is going to continue thinking that Alex made a fool of himself while he takes this to the bank and the usual suspects glorify this dangerous demagogue.

6 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:01:43am

This video is all over left wing sites claiming it as a win, while it’s all over right wing sites claiming it as a win. They both can’t be right.

7 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:02:36am

Alex Jones puts the shit in Batshit Crazy.

8 Awea  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 6:56:14am

I think the far right crazies see it as a win. But then they believe what they want to anyways.
Honestly, I never cared too much for Piers, and out side of seeing posting of Alex Jones viewpoints, I never gave him much credibility.

That being said, I see this being black eye for the gun nuts. While AJ may have some facts and share some of the law abiding gun owners views. He comes off as a complete nut, who sees conspiracies in everything. Which now makes all of his points toxic, for anyone who wants to rationally defend their views against more gun restrictions.

From a PR point of view, who would want to be lumped in with that guy.

9 Destro  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:02:38am

A) This is what the vast majority of wing nuts on the right wing believe in (or fantasize about)

b) You can’t embarrass Alex Jones since his bread and butter is found among the kooks of the country and for some reason the land of free press and freedoms galore breeds paranoids in greater number than were found in Stalinist Russia. That is hyperbole, of course but seriously we live in a free country with nearly unlimited access to information and yet we have this high level of paranoia?

I know it is called the “paranoid style of American politics” but why should that paranoia exist in a free country like ours?

10 BillyCrims  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 7:10:33am

re: #6 Randall Gross

This video is all over left wing sites claiming it as a win, while it’s all over right wing sites claiming it as a win. They both can’t be right.

Unfortunately, that’s not true. Of course they can both be right - happens all the time. Issues always have more than two sides, our news networks just never acknowledge that.

The late Alexander Cockburn used to point this out - he had a bit where he discussed a network news debate on cannibalism. They’d bring out the two experts to discuss both sides. The right winger in favor of “free market cannibalism” and the left favoring “government regulated cannibalism.” At the end of the show they might* let the kook on who says s/he doesn’t think we should have any cannibalism at all, but then they’d run out of time.

That’s not the case with Alex Jones, but the people who said that the right wing blogs loved him are right. They got what they wanted from this, and so did the left. Might Alex Jones had done better if he shouted less? Probably not.

11 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 8:35:41am

re: #3 Randall Gross

You give the mainstream audience more rationality than they actually possess. Each of Alex’s points was shouted at least three times, and even if they come away thinking that Alex is a nut they will also think ‘but he had some good points, and Piers wasn’t able to counter them” I think you need to look at the history of “shouting heads” debates — it’s the demagogue who comes away with the win in audience ratings in most cases. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a creationist debate, or a presidential debate.

I have to agree. If you are politically aware and watching the footage without major distraction, then it is clear Jones is nuts. But that combination of knowledge and concentration will not hold true for most viewers. Someone just catching snippets while catching a quick bite at their local Wendy’s might well think Jones has something useful to say.

12 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 9:40:05am

re: #6 Randall Gross

This video is all over left wing sites claiming it as a win, while it’s all over right wing sites claiming it as a win. They both can’t be right.

I’d say both sides, and the country, have lost.

13 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:06:41am

And to be fair, using the same corollary, thought Biden won his debate by talking over Ryan, even though you could make a strong case to the contrary.

re: #5 Randall Gross

I still think you are giving the audience too much credit - these are the same audiences who thought Mitt Romney won the first presidential debate by talking over the moderator and the president. Piers gave Alex everything he wanted, and he loved it. While some will see through him the converts he gained to Prison Planet and infowars are not worth it.

14 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Jan 8, 2013 11:09:25am

The entire Jones rant is just a microcosm of the heart of the gun nuts’ beliefs. They never cared about hunting. They never cared about self defense. They never care about protecting property. They care that the opportunity to play out their fantasy will continue to exist, that fantasy being to some day kill all of the pussy liberals, communists, and [fill in the blank racial or ethnic slur]s.


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Recent PagesClick to refresh
Andra Day - Rise Up [Audio] "Rise Up" by Andra Day, from the album 'Cheers to the Fall' available now. iTunes: smarturl.itApple Music: smarturl.itSpotify: smarturl.it Connect with Andra: andraday.comfacebook.comtwitter.cominstagram.com LYRICS: Rise Up(Andra Day and Jennifer Decilveo) You’re broken down and tiredOf living life on a ...
Thanos
1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Views: 45 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Duo Behind Planned Parenthood Video Cleared District Judge Brock Thomas dismissed the tampering with government records charge against 27-year-old David Daleiden and 63-year-old Sandra Merritt upon the request of the Harris County prosecutor's office. Defense attorneys said the pair never should have been indicted. If ...
Thanos
1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Views: 76 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Roll Up Your Sleeves: Red Cross Says Blood Need ‘Urgent’ TUESDAY, July 26, 2016 (HealthDay News) -- The American Red Cross says it has an urgent need for blood donations, with less than a five-day supply of blood on hand to help those who need it. "The Red Cross ...
Thanos
2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Views: 75 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Bernie Sanders Nominates Hillary Clinton by Acclamation Sen. Bernie Sanders, in a move to bridge the divide in the Democratic Pary, on Tuesday moved to nominate Hillary Clinton by acclamation as the Democratic nominee for president. His motion came after nearly two hours of roll call ...
Thanos
2 hours, 20 minutes ago
Views: 178 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 24 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 1
Likes: 1
Comments: 0
: 2
Bernie Sanders Pays Surprise Morning Visit to Kansas and Missouri Delegates Philadelphia Sen. Bernie Sanders made a surprise visit Tuesday to the Kansas and Missouri delegations at the Democratic National Convention. To thunderous applause, Sanders thanked Kansas Democrats for backing his candidacy. “Of the 50 states in the country, what ...
Thanos
7 hours, 41 minutes ago
Views: 128 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Euthanasia Fanatic Knifes 19 Disabled People to Death Near Tokyo The sheer rarity of this kind of violence in that modern culture, against that religious backdrop was a stark reminder to me what the nature of our true enemy is. This man cared not for religion, or gender or ...
Great White Snark
9 hours, 32 minutes ago
Views: 120 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Sarah Silverman’s Speech at the Democratic National Convention Sarah Silverman, a Bernie Sanders supporter, called for party unity during her speech at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia even going as far to tell the rambonxious "Bernie Or Bust" audience members they were "being ridiculous" for their ...
Thanos
13 hours, 53 minutes ago
Views: 158 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Elizabeth Warren’s 2016 Democratic National Convention SpeechElizabeth Warren's full speech at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvia.Reflect on Twitter @ReflectVideoReflect on Facebook on.fb.me
Thanos
13 hours, 55 minutes ago
Views: 121 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Party of Clinton Looks Different Than in 1992 No kidding. Time moves, people and priorities change - the thing that most don't get when making these contrasts is that the modern Democrat party is the best reflection of what our country has become, and how it is ...
Thanos
14 hours, 37 minutes ago
Views: 131 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 2 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
U.S. Tells China That Anti-Missile System Not a Threat South Korea's decision to deploy an advanced U.S. anti-missile defense system does not threaten China's security, a senior U.S. administration official said on Tuesday at the end of a visit to China by U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice. ...
Thanos
14 hours, 48 minutes ago
Views: 136 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Likes: 0
Comments: 0
: 0