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1 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:55:34pm

That’s actually bad news for women, since stop-and-frisk is a tool used by the NYPD to remove the illegally carried guns that too often kill women in New York City.

2 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 5:19:54pm

It’s bad news for everybody. Stop-and-frisk is the basic tool used by NYC to make secure and livable the public housing that used to be under the effective control of gangsters and drug dealers.

Why one politician changed his position.

3 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:30:11pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

That’s actually bad news for women, since stop-and-frisk is a tool used by the NYPD to remove the illegally carried guns that too often kill women in New York City.

Bullshit.

FACT: Guns are found in less than 0.2 percent of stops. That is an unbelievably poor yield rate for such an intrusive, wasteful and humiliating police action. Yet, stop-and-frisk has increased more than 600 percent under Bloomberg and Kelly. And the rate of finding guns is worsening as the NYPD stops more innocent people each year.

re: #2 lostlakehiker

gangsters and drug dealers.

Code for brown people.

It’s kind of disgusting watching comfortable white skin jobs talking about how necessary it is to sacrifice the fourth amendment rights of urban minorities.

4 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 7:48:42pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

I guess small government and 4th Amendment protections aren’t supposed to apply to all Americans. //

5 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 5:25:54am

Brown People and any women they want to touch … .

6 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:58:14am

[Link: www.nyclu.org…]
FACT: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City’s stop-and-frisk regime, and the small number of arrests, summonses, and guns recovered demonstrates that the practice is ineffective. Crime data also do not support the claim that New York City is safer because of the practice. While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore.

Stop-and-Frisk abuses corrode trust between the police and communities, which makes everyone less safe. Don’t believe us? Then listen to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly in 2000: “[A] large reservoir of good will was under construction when I left the Police Department in 1994. It was called community policing. But it was quickly abandoned for tough-sounding rhetoric and dubious stop-and-frisk tactics that sowed new seeds of community mistrust.”

FACT: The murder drop happened before Bloomberg took office and before the explosion in stop-and-frisk. The year before the mayor took office there were 649 murders in New York City. In 2011, there were 526 murders. This 19 percent drop is important, but to suggest that murders were cut in half because of stop-and-frisk is simply wrong.

Further, stop-and-frisk has not reduced the number of people who fall victim to shootings. In 2002, there were 1,892 victims of gunfire and 97,296 stops. In 2011, there were still 1,821 victims of gunfire but a record 685,724 stops.

FACT: Comparing police stops to violent crime suspects is bad math. Only 11 percent of stops in 2011 were based on a description of a violent crime suspect. On the other hand, from 2002 to 2011, black and Latino residents made up close to 90 percent of people stopped, and about 88 percent of stops – more than 3.8 million – were of innocent New Yorkers. Even in neighborhoods that are predominantly white, black and Latino New Yorkers face the disproportionate brunt. For example, in 2011, Black and Latino New Yorkers made up 24 percent of the population in Park Slope, but 79 percent of stops. This, on its face, is discriminatory.

7 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:29:43am

re: #2 lostlakehiker

It’s bad news for everybody. Stop-and-frisk is the basic tool used by NYC to make secure and livable the public housing that used to be under the effective control of gangsters and drug dealers.

Why one politician changed his position.

It still is under their effective control. Now a new generation of black kids in New York sees the police as the enemy, the guys who hassle them, too.

And NY Post is not a reliable newspaper and should not be given credibility by citing them.


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