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1 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:13:35pm

Omitting Chicago surely helps the case. Complete stats or not, Chicago has more murders per year than NYC or LA, both larger than it. The gap would be wider today with Chicago in it than it is without.

And why is Chicago omitted? They say they lack complete statistics. But here is a list from Wikipedia, including every year since 1990, and a couple from earlier.

The case made in the article is also unnecessarily blinkered. Are there no big cities in Europe or Asia to look at? Surely they didn’t take the lead out of gasoline at the same time as the US. If lead is the reason, we should expect to see the same trends in, say, Tokyo, just with a different inflection point.

The article is good debate tactics and good polemics but it’s not good statistics.


1965: 395[6]
1974: 970[7]
1990: 851[8]
1991: 927[9]
1992: 943[9]
1993: 855[9]
1994: 931[9]
1995: 828[9]
1996: 796[9]
1997: 761[9]
1998: 704[9]
1999: 643[9]
2000: 633[9]
2001: 667[9]
2002: 656[9]
2003: 601[9]
2004: 453[9]
2005: 451[9]
2006: 471[9]
2007: 448[9]
2008: 513[9]
2009: 459[9]
2010: 436[9]
2011: 435[9]
2012: 506[10]

2 Aligarr  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 4:06:06am

I dont buy it , the Romans drank from cups made of lead and what leeched and was actually ingested was far greater than what would be inhaled from car traffic . If that were the case car mechanics , gas station attendants and toll booth workers should display a higher rate of violence . Sounds good though . I think it more a question of poor nutrition , bad nuturing, fatherless children , dysfunctional families , alcoholic parent[s] .

3 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 5:57:22am

My thought is what Heinlein said.

You can drive any animal crazy by sticking too many of them in the same cage. Human beings appear to be the only ones who do this voluntarily.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:44:42pm

Yes, I wasn’t too sure about the theory. Lead may be a contributor for “some” individuals who have some susceptibility, but I have a hard time believing in any “silver bullet” answer to any such complex issue.


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