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1 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:26:31am

I trust nothing the American state dept says and have felt that way for a long time.

2 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:02:40am

re: #1 Destro

I trust nothing the American state dept says and have felt that way for a long time.

Why would they make this up?

3 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:53:01am

re: #2 NJDhockeyfan

Interventionist reasons.

4 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:39:46pm

re: #3 Destro

The only reason this is a bad thing right now is because there is no side worth supporting.

Libya is turning out as I expected. A wobbly, post-revolutionary state. Like the US was at one point. Intervention can be a good thing.

However, I doubt this report. For one reason only. I can’t think of a time where a military used a Hallucinogen.

More likely would be contamination of food by Ergot.

5 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:55:31pm

re: #4 ProBosniaLiberal

The only reason this is a bad thing right now is because there is no side worth supporting.

Libya is turning out as I expected. A wobbly, post-revolutionary state. Like the US was at one point. Intervention can be a good thing.

However, I doubt this report. For one reason only. I can’t think of a time where a military used a Hallucinogen.

More likely would be contamination of food by Ergot.

True, though I can see Assad trying some sort of ‘deniable’ Chemwar agent. DoS would be more likely NOT to confirm it, given that if it were confirmed Assad was using WMDs (any weaponized hallucinogenic agent is a WMD, legally) it would virtually mandate intervention.

6 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:49:25pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

True, though I can see Assad trying some sort of ‘deniable’ Chemwar agent. DoS would be more likely NOT to confirm it, given that if it were confirmed Assad was using WMDs (any weaponized hallucinogenic agent is a WMD, legally) it would virtually mandate intervention.

Bullshit. Tear gas is a chemical weapon. Phosphorus is a chemical weapon. Saying that is the trigger for intervention is insane.

7 Destro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:50:15pm

re: #4 ProBosniaLiberal

Bullshit. The USA was not carrying on inter ethnic wars after the revolution.

8 Stoatly  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:57:17am

re: #7 Destro

Yeah, the US was born perfect in every way, Native peoples respected and prospering, Black and White people living in harmony - North and South as one - no expansionist wars with it’s only neighbours. Oh, wait, actually America has history, not all of it pretty.

Libya went through hell under Q - he turned the people against each other quite deliberately (often with Western help), his fall was always going to be a mess and the Islamists were bound to pollute any liberation just as Communists would have in earlier generations

9 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:36:39am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

True, though I can see Assad trying some sort of ‘deniable’ Chemwar agent. DoS would be more likely NOT to confirm it, given that if it were confirmed Assad was using WMDs (any weaponized hallucinogenic agent is a WMD, legally) it would virtually mandate intervention.

Any weapon that can cause mass destruction is a weapon of mass destruction.

10 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:38:05am

re: #7 Destro

Bullshit. The USA was not carrying on inter ethnic wars after the revolution.

Er. Yes it was. What the fuck sort of revisionist history is this?

We kept fighting the American Indians for more than a hundred years after the revolution.

11 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:41:39pm

re: #10 Obdicut

Er. Yes it was. What the fuck sort of revisionist history is this?

We kept fighting the American Indians for more than a hundred years after the revolution.

You know full well the analogy is American on American fighting each other after the revolution (unless you want to include the Civil War a hundred years later). In Syria the revolution is really one underpinned by racial or religious animosities.

12 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:18:27pm

re: #8 Stoatly

The USA did not go through any thing like Yugoslavia did after her break up and Syria is more like Yugoslavia than anything else.


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