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1 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:36:21pm

Jeffrey Goldberg seems to agree and feels that it doesn’t bode well for Israel’s future.

You could fit what I understand about Israeli politics in a thimble and I’m not familiar with all the players by a long shot, so I can’t really comment except to say that Goldberg strikes me as a pretty consistently even-keeled guy who’s not prone to hysteria or hyperbole, so I’ll take his word for it.

2 Buck  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:17:30pm

Jeffrey Goldberg was a Follower of Meir Kahane

I wonder why you didn’t know that? I guess now that you linked to him and praised him, that makes you ….. Well bad at reading people and an unreliable source.
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I don’t actually believe that, but that is how this game seems to be played.

3 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:31:43pm

re: #2 Buck

What does the word ‘was’ mean, Buck?

4 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:33:26pm

re: #2 Buck

Do you support the information in that article you linked, by the way?

5 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:39:11am

re: #2 Buck

Jeffrey Goldberg was a Follower of Meir Kahane

Interesting. It seems that all the links, or at least the several that I followed, reference a single paragraph from his book Prisoners: A Story of Friendship and Terror:

…Soon enough I came across the writings of Meir Kahane, on a high shelf, and it was Kahane who provided a not un-Panther-like but specifically Semitic model of self-defense. Kahane was the Brooklyn rabbi who founded the Jewish Defense League in 1968 to shake Jews out of their fatalistic and feminized passivity. He argued, infamously, in favor of the bat, the bomb, and the gun. (“Every Jew a .22,” he said, to the shame and horror of the Manhattan Jewish elite and to the secret joy of every beaten-down Jewboy in the tristate area.) …But for a time he held all the answers for me. In the locker room, I was a kike, but in the sanctuary of the library, I was a revolutionary kike, one of Kahane’schayas, a beast, a street-fighting Jew.

So the claim is made based on 1 paragraph. No, actually that’s too generous—it’s based on a 1 SENTENCE (bolded above) in a PARTIAL paragraph (note the two sets of ellipses) excised from a book of 336 PAGES.

As you know by now, Buck, I like context. That means I’ll purchase Mr. Goldberg’s book and read the other 335.99 pages surrounding the supposedly damning sentence. For context, y’know? Because I don’t just automatically swallow as fact stuff that reeks of shrill “outrageous outrage!!” from left-wingers any more readily than I do from right-wingers.

I have to admit that I’m tickled pink at the results of your Google “Gotcha!” search, the first being The eXile, which is overall just really…bizarre, and the second being Tikkun, a leftist-progressive magazine (it’s to the left of me). I had NO IDEA you were so open-minded—I would’ve sworn you’d consider those types of publications mortal ideological enemies. Color me impressed! LOL

I wonder why you didn’t know that? I guess now that you linked to him and praised him, that makes you ….. Well bad at reading people and an unreliable source.
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I don’t actually believe that, but that is how this game seems to be played.

I wonder too. It strikes me as VERY odd since Mr. Goldberg is fairly well known & respected. Being the insatiably CuriousLurker that I am, I’ll be digging until I find a satisfactory answer.

A game? Maybe to you it is, but to me trying to figure out the truth behind the copious amounts of information we’re fed every day by and about the media figures & politicians that influence public opinion (and therefore our lives) is NOT some silly parlor game. It involves dead serious advocacy strategies formulated in (mostly) partisan think tanks by professionals—psychologists, historians, political scientists, marketing & graphic design specialists, economists, ex-politicians, etc.—strategies which are then put into action by using various tactics to elicit the desired knee-jerk responses. Jews should know that better than anyone.

Do you ever even see us liberals, Buck? I mean REALLY see us as actual people with depth & breadth of thought & opinion, or are we just two-dimensional cardboard cutouts labeled “liberal opponent” that you attack on sight and slap more labels on in an effort to “win”? (What the prize is, I’m not sure.)

Do you know what I wish? I wish that once, just ONCE I could witness you have a calm, respectful, hyperbole-free, intellectually honest discussion with a liberal here. Yeah, I know, I won’t be holding my breath. //

6 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 8:29:16am

re: #2 Buck

Jeffrey Goldberg was a Follower of Meir Kahane

Hey, Buck, you’ll be happy (or not) to know that I took some time to more closely check out The eXiled and Tikkun, the two top websites you so helpfully provided in the Google search results to evidence Mr. Goldberg’s alleged Kahanism. I did it so we’d have some more context.

The eXiled piece was actually part of their recently launched “S.H.A.M.E. media transparency project to expose the shills and corporate lackeys who manipulate the public and perpetuate oligarchy power.” According to Wikipedia they’re headquartered in Russia. It also provides a rather interesting description of some of their past content:

“The ’90s in Moscow were a great time,” Ames told The New York Observer, “like what they say about the 20’s in Paris or the early 30’s in Berlin. It was completely hedonistic and nihilistic and full of crime….A lot of [Taibbi’s] prose was written on smack and a lot of mine was written on speed….We wrote a whole bunch of editorials about the size of Putin’s penis.”

Here’s a sampling of their other current S.H.A.M.E. articles:

• Why is Malcolm Gladwell running cover for the enablers of serial child molester Jerry Sandusky?

• The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg Was a Follower of Jewish Rightwing Terrorist Meir Kahane

• Recovered History: Wall Street-Funded Self Help Propaganda Greased the Real Estate Bubble

• Do Your Part: Help SHAME the Media Establishment

• Megan McArdle’s Fake Full Disclosures: What the Daily Beast Correspondent Doesn’t Want You To Know About Her Koch Work

• Barry Ritholtz Calls S.H.A.M.E.’s Expose of Megan McArdle “One of the Most Brutal Takedowns I Have Ever Seen” and “Absolutely Must Read Material”

LOL, all of that strikes me as diametrically opposed to what you’re all about in terms of acceptable sources, but what do I know? //

Now for Tikkun, which is based in Berkeley and considered a leftist-progressive magazine. Here’s a sampling of articles that come up when you click on “Israel” in the tag cloud in the sidebar on the right:

• Choosing Hagel Sends A Needed Message To Israel

• American Jewish Committee Demonstrates That Lobby Effort To Sink Hagel Has Backfired

• The Nonexistent “Jewish Lobby” Declares War on Chuck Hagel

• Congressman Berman’s Last Gasp At Punishing Palestinians

• Silencing the New York Rabbis Who Supported Palestine U.N. Vote

• Israel, Macbeth, and the March Toward Catastrophe

• Zionists Endorse Palestinian Move at UN

• Not My Grandfather’s Israel: The Growing Racism of the Modern Israeli Public

• Investigation Continues into Jewish Youths’ Assault on Palestinians in Zion Square

• Boycotts, Divestments and Sanctions: Opposing Occupations Everywhere (NOT just Israel)

Do you know who wrote a bunch of those articles, Buck? M.J. Rosenberg. I had no idea you’d consider a publication to which he was a frequent contributor to be a reliable source on matters related to Jews/Israel, especially since he seems to be fond of using the term “Jewish lobby”. I could’ve sworn you said that was anti-Semitic.

Anyway, that’s all for now. Have a happy Monday!

7 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 8:31:48am

re: #6 CuriousLurker

Hey, Buck, you’ll be happy (or not) to know that I took some time to more closely check out The eXiled and Tikkun, the two top websites you so helpfully provided in the Google search results to evidence Mr. Goldberg’s alleged Kahanism.

The eXiled piece was actually part of their recently launched “S.H.A.M.E. media transparency project to expose the shills and corporate lackeys who manipulate the public and perpetuate oligarchy power.” According to Wikipedia they’re headquartered in Russia. It also provides a rather interesting description of some of their past content:

Here’s a sampling of their other current S.H.A.M.E. articles:

LOL, all of that strikes me as diametrically opposed to what you’re all about in terms of acceptable sources, but what do I know? //

Now for Tikkun, which is based in Berkeley and considered a leftist-progressive magazine. Here’s a sampling of articles that come up when you click on “Israel” in the tag cloud in the sidebar on the right:

Do you know who wrote a bunch of those articles, Buck? M.J. Rosenberg. I had no idea you’d consider a publication to which he was a frequent contributor to be a reliable source, especially since he seems to be fond of using the term “Jewish lobby”. I could’ve sworn you said that was anti-Semitic.

Anyway, that’s all for now. Have a happy Monday!

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to fact-smack somebody who really doesn’t deserve all that attention.

8 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 10:03:09am

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to fact-smack somebody who really doesn’t deserve all that attention.

I rather enjoyed it. ;)

9 Flavia  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 12:47:10pm

re: #2 Buck

Jeffrey Goldberg was a Follower of Meir Kahane

I wonder why you didn’t know that? I guess now that you linked to him and praised him, that makes you ….. Well bad at reading people and an unreliable source.
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I don’t actually believe that, but that is how this game seems to be played.

I think just about everyone missed the sarcasm…


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