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1 Jimmah  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:13:44pm

So says Dan Schueftan - whom I’ve seen referred to as “the Israeli John Bolton”. Here he is being quizzed about some comments he made in a lecture to university students:

[Link: shraga-elam.blogspot.co.uk…]

Is it not you who exhibits contempt for your students when you say to them that “the Arabs are the biggest failure in the history of the human race, but they have one talent: violence?”

“That is a function of their record. There are peoples with a more impressive record and there are people with a less impressive record. Do you want that in order that the students feel better I tell them about great accomplishments in various domains that have no basis in truth? It is not as if I am influencing the students to see the Arabs as a failure. The claim that that is the message reflects a profound disrespect for the understanding of adult students who are already developed, and it assumes that the student will disregard a systematic, balanced and documented discussion over the course of many hours, and bases his understanding on a casual parenthetical comment.

Likes to joke:

Was the description of the Iraq-Iran as seven years of pleasure also a joke of that kind?

“Two enemies of Israel warred against each other. The alternative was that they would make war on Israel. Imagine that in the Second World War Japan and Germany were fighting each other. If there is a war, and because of its being waged, people do not come to slaughter us, I should mourn about that?”

What did you mean when you said that “they shoot at weddings all over the Arab world in order to prove that they have at least one thing that is hard and functional and can shoot”?

“In this country there are weapons that are used for shooting at weddings. So you don’t like the joke and you write an article about a joke.”

Well if this guy is denying that Israel has become more right wing (under the influence of himself among others) then it must be true. //

2 rosiee  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:43:53pm

Irregardless, the numbers still point to the fact that Israeli’s overwhelmingly desire a two-state solution.

3 jogiff  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:57:50pm

re: #1 Jimmah

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Your source makes me weary as well, the only sources are documents that he posted himself and the way that the question format shifts randomly throughout the article makes me question whether this interview actually happened as presented.

4 Jimmah  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:30:43pm

re: #3 jogiff

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

If Israel is becoming more right wing, Dan Schueftan would appear to be part of the problem. I’m not making a strict logical argument that because he is saying something, it can’t be true, just that this particular argument carries very little weight coming from him.

Your source makes me weary as well, the only sources are documents that he posted himself and the way that the question format shifts randomly throughout the article makes me question whether this interview actually happened as presented.

It’s a translation from a Hebrew publication. He gives this as the source for the part you are talking about:

5 Buck  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:42:56pm

The whole world couldn’t care less if Arabs and Muslims kill each other. The entire world, as represented by the United Nations, ignores the Syrian government as Assad kills 20 thousand(?) arab/muslim men women and children.

Darfur? Did anyone really care? What did they do about it?
Iran? Not a peep from the UN Human Rights commission. And the Mullahs celebrated it.

So if a Jew could care less if Iraq and Iran are at war, killing each other with the same glee as they would kill Jews, that is somehow a crime?

Why would that be?

6 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:34:01pm

No, they really are far-right.

7 palomino  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:44:03pm

re: #5 Buck

The whole world couldn’t care less if Arabs and Muslims kill each other. The entire world, as represented by the United Nations, ignores the Syrian government as Assad kills 20 thousand(?) arab/muslim men women and children.

Darfur? Did anyone really care? What did they do about it?
Iran? Not a peep from the UN Human Rights commission. And the Mullahs celebrated it.

So if a Jew could care less if Iraq and Iran are at war, killing each other with the same glee as they would kill Jews, that is somehow a crime?

Why would that be?

Because he called it “seven years of pleasure” as over a million people died. Are you really unable to see a problem with such language? Just to pre-empt your expected response, “Muslims do lots of bad stuff” is not an answer that justifies Prof. Schueften’s remarks.

8 Aligarr  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:06:05pm

Israelis in general DO desire a two state solution . They are however realists and KNOW that is NOT what the Palestinians want . They are realists ; The Palestinian National Charter STILL contains the language calling for Israel’s Destruction and removal of Jews from the land . The Removal of that language was THE FIRST STEP TO BE TAKEN by the palestinians in OSLO .
Three times that change came before the Palestinian National Council for a vote , and three times it was REJECTED . The Hamas Charter and Hezbollah Proclaimation call for the same . Survival is the instinct that guides and directs the people of Israel . Morsi’s recent public outburst , accentuates the REALITY of the muslim world , in its attitudes and goals regarding Israel .

9 Destro  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 6:23:20am

re: #8 Aligarr

Israelis in general DO desire a two state solution - but they won the war so why give back any land to the impotent losers whose most advanced weapon requires suicide, especially when the USA seems to defend Israel against world diplomatic pressure no matter what she does.

10 Red Falcons of America  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:50:02am

The sad fact of this article is that it posits the two-state solution as a ‘core paradigm of the left’ when not to long ago the two-state solution was neither left or right but was the general consensus position. It really shows how much Israel has shifted to the right.

(I also got a bit of a chuckle out of ‘Israeli voters are as rational as voters in any liberal democracy’ … so, not very rational at all then? There’s probably a Mencken quote to go with that…)

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:30:58pm

It is ridiculous to compare the Israeli right to the American right, no matter how much certain left wingers wish to vilify them.

In actual reality, the mainstream Israeli right (Likud and parts of Kadima) are, if you squint your eyes and turn your head sideways a little like Reagan Republicans - or would be, if Reagan Republicans supported the rights of unions to organize, the right of women to receive the same pay for the same work as men, universal socialized medicine, universal (math and science heavy) education through university, proactive steps against climate change and the arts.

They are not the GOP of the eighties - let alone of today and they are nothing at all like the far right nationalist parties in Europe. That is just the reality.

Unfortunately, as usual, we see the normal response to an article that talks plainly about Israeli realities (that don’t make Israel look bad) attacked by the usual suspects and without addressing any of the points made in the article itself.

As to the pearl clutching and the fatuous attacks on this author…

Consider the following true statements:

1. The green line is called the green line because if you were too look at the border from a satellite, that is where the land turns green.

2. Even though the “Palestinians” receive more aid per-capita than anyone else on the planet, their leaders simply can’t bring themselves to use that money for actual development of an economy or agriculture or education.

3. Just because someone is of Arabic descent, certainly does NOT make them evil or stupid or ignorant. However, it is stupid, evil and ignorant to ignore the brainwashed culture of violence, ignorance and death that obtains amongst both the leaders of the “Palestinians” and a frighteningly large percentage of the Arabs on the local street

Apparently, the author is to be castigated for pointing out the reality that the primary exports of the Arab world are oil, currency manipulation and violence. No, that does not mean that all Arabs are backwards. No, that does not mean that all Arabs are violent. No, that does not mean that there isn’t a lot of history there. However, clutching pearls and whining that you don’t like the truths of the situation is about is sensible as when the GOP pretends that not talking about climate change will make it less real.

12 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:33:37pm

re: #7 palomino

OK how about, while they are killing each other, they are not trying to kill my family.

From a strictly American point of view, at the time, the Iran/Iraq war served our geo-political interests as well.

13 Red Falcons of America  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:52:33am

[Link: 972mag.com…]

…This will be the most extreme right-wing government in Israel’s history, because what passes for the “center-left” is actually the right. There are two overriding questions in this country, two issues that define left and right: occupation and war. Occupation and war are the status quo, and there’s no center about it: You’re either trying to end it, which puts you on the left, or you’re not, which puts you on the right.

14 kmg  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:34:02pm

re: #9 Destro

Correction. They won the warS!

15 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:33:29pm

re: #14 kmg

Correction. They won the warS!

I hate your right wing military triumphalism.

16 Flavia  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:40:39pm

re: #15 Destro

I hate your right wing military triumphalism.

& I hate your selective whining and deliberate mischaracterizations. The point is that ISRAEL was ATTACKED EVERY TIME. The POINT is that ISRAEL did NOT WANT those wars. The POINT is that when you WIN a DEFENSIVE war, you DO get to KEEP what you WON, if only as a consolation prize for having been attacked in the first place, if not to teach the AGGRESSOR a lesson (Which, in this case, they’ve NEVER LEARNED).


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