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1 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 11:39:21am

Obviously a private capitalist solution based on free market principles is all that’s needed here. /

2 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 12:16:18pm
Underneath the somewhat general and misunderstood term ‘immigration reform’ are two central issues: An overhaul of current immigration policies and tighter border security. Both are complex but today we’re going to focus on the latter.

In my opinion, border security is a completely different issue from immigration reform. People who connect the two are using ‘border security’, which they rarely or never define, as a delaying tactic.

The border is big – The border spans 1969 miles.

That’s just the southern border. We have a northern border too. If security is really the issue, you can’t talk about just one.

We aren’t going to solve the problem by deporting all Latinos.

Most Latinos in the US are citizens. A large percentage of people here illegally are not.

More complexities:

40% of immigrants who are here without legal documentation came here legally and overstayed their visas. No fence would have any effect on that.

By fencing and otherwise enforcing commonly used crossing areas, crossers are driven to use more remote areas, causing higher death rates.

Part of the southern border divides a community of Native Americans who traditionally lived on both sides, and still do. See: Tohono O’odham border issues.

A lot of smuggling happens a legal, designated crossing points. Two examples are here.

I searched for the word ‘border’ in my Pages Dashboard and it returned 852 Pages.

3 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 12:21:15pm

Here’s a recent article about border security. I haven’t read the whole thing, but it looks pretty good from my quick scan.

Border Patrol’s Strategic Plan Not Yet in Place, Audit Finds, But Security has Clearly Improved

US Border Patrol’s 2012-2016 national border security strategy — its first new strategic plan in eight years — began to be implemented more than a year ago. But the report of a new congressional audit that was released Jan. 9 said Border Patrol “has not identified milestones and time frames for developing and implementing performance goals and measures [for the plan] in accordance with standard practices in program management” that are essential “to defin[ing] border security and the resources necessary to achieve it.”


4 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 12:30:01pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Obviously a private capitalist solution based on free market principles is all that’s needed here. /

Actually that’s true. If we adopted our laisse faire 19th century policy of just letting whoever wants to come here immigrate freely, it would be a boost to the economy and end the problem of “illegal” immigration.

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 1:15:41pm
There are many ways to enter the US. The way that’s taken by the very poorest is to come through the Sonoran Desert on foot.

It’s a very forbidding place - the temperatures in the summertime are regularly in the triple digits Fahrenheit and there’s no water.

Groups of people will walk for three to five days, travelling by night and drinking out of cattle troughs or whatever they can find. It’s unlikely they will see other people for the duration of the trip.

At present, Tucson, Arizona has almost 800 unidentified bodies of migrants who didn’t make it to the other side.

They were found by border patrol, by citizens of the Tohono O’odham Indian reservation, or by ranchers or hikers. I compare these unidentified remains to lists we have of missing persons, collected from families of migrants last known to have been attempting the crossing.

When there is a possible match, I call the family.


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