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1 Locker  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:21:20am

Keeps falling on deaf ears even though it’s repeated over and over… citizens with guns are normally not trained military, police or security professional.

2 nines09  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:45:44am

I don’t care what you pack. The other guy gets the drop on you, you lose. I’ve lived far enough out that if I did have a problem, no officer state or otherwise was going to get there, thus I have had protection. Still do. It’s no 30 clip jerk off fantasy gonna rip the bad guy a new ass piece either.

3 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:08:28am

One of the critical aspects we were taught and learned to pass on as instructors-Your home needs to be secure enough to buy you time to get out if you can, hide if you must, and shoot if it comes down to no other options. A gun should be the final security. Good windows, doors, alarms, and a thought through plan all comes first. Way in advance first.

AFAIK IN public your CCW is similar. Observe & get away if you can to get help & inform first responders of any critical info. Hide if you can’t get away. Shoot only if you get found and cornered. Unfortunately, in a crowd you might not even try, just run. Engaging in a crowd will just take more lives.

TL:dr ? Sorry.
The gun is the last thing, the very last.

4 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:04:29am

re: #1 Locker

Keeps falling on deaf ears even though it’s repeated over and over… citizens with guns are normally not trained military, police or security professional.

Nor should they be. (Half kidding!!)

The right training for civilian self defense is a lot different. Police train to take it forward and apprehend. Civilians don’t. Different mission. More safety training, More tactics than a street cop might get. More gun time, less laws to learn by far.

5 Ghost of Alouette  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:10:41am

DERPERS GOTTA DERP

6 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:30:34am

It’s good to want to protect others but nothing’s ever as simple as we want it to be as we see in Mr. McKown’s story.


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