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1 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:01:37pm

Interesting poll, but I’d suggest an option for universal background checks (and that’d be my preference). Of those other choices, banning violent video games will have no effect (and statistically, several other countries play far more video games than the US without a corresponding increase in gun violence or mass shootings).

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:05:34pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Thanks! The character count is limited in the questions-Please accept that as one in the same-

3 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:05:57pm

I like the idea of requiring a paper trail for all gun transfers. Even if no money changes hands.

I also like that the IL proposed legislation (last time I read it -last week) exempted such paperwork from the FOIA.

4 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:07:36pm

As long as we have lots of guns around, none of these measures will do much to prevent mass shootings.

5 Kragar  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:08:33pm

Federal registration of all firearms, with gun owners required to reapply for a license annually, which includes a background check and a mental health screening.

6 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:09:17pm

Registration of every weapon and background checks on all sales. Weapon must be registered with new owner before acquiring the weapon. Stiff penalties if a weapon is used to commit a crime to the person it belongs to (if you sell under-the-table to a person who commits a crime or don’t properly secure your weapons and they’re used in a crime.) Would put the kibosh on many straw purchases and force people to properly secure their arsenals in safes etc.

Picked close the gun-show loophole above.

7 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:09:33pm

re: #4 Obdicut

You may well be right, I’d just point out the article is about mass shootings the poll is broader-Gun deaths.

8 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:14:21pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Interesting poll, but I’d suggest an option for universal background checks (and that’d be my preference).

That’s what closing the gun show loophole is, requiring that private sales go through an FFL and use the NICS system.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:16:28pm

Voted close the gun-show loophole, but my personal one is stiffer ownership, storage and license requirements that also include a lot more education about gun safety and gun storage.

Besides deaths and crime there are a lot of shootings that are simply shoddy weapons handling or storage.

10 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:20:30pm

re: #9 Feline Fearless Leader

The most effective form— strong corporate liability— would probably be legally unworkable.

11 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:24:18pm

Force all Americans to become Canadians.

12 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:25:47pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Force all Americans to become Canadians.

Would we have to move? There are more Canadians around here than in Churchill.

13 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:31:08pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Force all Americans to become Canadians.

I knew I forgot one biggie!

14 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:32:13pm

re: #5 Kragar

re: #6 Ghost of Tom Joad

Voted close the gun show loophole.

Mass registration is not an option. Even if it was somehow passed into Law, it would have to be funded. As we have seen, the agency that has been tasked with policing firearms (BATF) has been effectively castrated at all levels and is prohibited by Law from compiling a data base.

Hell, California isn’t currently capable of taking firearms away from those they can because of funding constraints.

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

SACRAMENTO — California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

15 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:35:15pm

re: #14 Bubblehead II

re: #6 Ghost of Tom Joad

Voted close the gun show loophole.

Mass registration is not an option. Even if it was somehow passed into Law, it would have to be funded. As we have seen, the agency that has been tasked with policing firearms (BATF) has been effectively castrated at all levels and is prohibited by Law from compiling a data base.

Hell, California isn’t currently capable of taking firearms away from those they can because of funding constraints.

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

SACRAMENTO — California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

Yet, there always money to make sure they’re not smoking a joint. Incredible hypocrisy we live in.

16 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:43:23pm

re: #14 Bubblehead II

re: #6 Ghost of Tom Joad

Voted close the gun show loophole.

Mass registration is not an option. Even if it was somehow passed into Law, it would have to be funded. As we have seen, the agency that has been tasked with policing firearms (BATF) has been effectively castrated at all levels and is prohibited by Law from compiling a data base.

Hell, California isn’t currently capable of taking firearms away from those they can because of funding constraints.

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

SACRAMENTO — California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

One thing I want cleared up here. Out of those nearly 20,000 people who illegally possess firearms, how many of those weapons were legally obtained before being transferred via private sale or gift? The number of stolen weapons per year isn’t all that high, from my understanding.

17 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 1:58:19pm

re: #16 RadicalModerate

We’ll probably never know for sure. Many of those individuals legally owned them BEFORE they became convicted Felons and/or declared mentally ill.

18 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 2:31:56pm

This is not the only study that demonstrates that the most common mass killer is a disgruntled or fired male worker - Mother Jones had an article a while back that linked to several studies showing the same thing.

19 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 30, 2013 2:34:47pm

The one I’d vote for is culture change.

As the article I linked to several weeks ago notes gun violence is not an invidious thing to many Americans. It is often a preferred choice as a method of dealing with problems. And, as the article pointed out, violence is considered a redemptive act. Violence with firearms is a way to wash away sins.

I see that last point in the mass murderers. Before they were mass murderers they were nothing. Now they are infamous, which is widely considered a better thing than nothing.

More than any other modern nation America has had success with violence. It’s how the nation was born. It was how it expanded. It was how they won their influence in the world. Only once in its history has violence severely scarred the nation itself. That was over a century and a half ago.

That’s not enough as Europe demonstrated. They killed each other in huge numbers for centuries before the final culmination in WWII. They have, mostly, lost the habit since then.

The States have not yet experienced violence in its most extreme form often enough to have lost the habit of violence. Until it does, violence will be an everyday occurrence that many people will see either no reason nor any method of changing.

20 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 4:14:35am

Went for the Gun Show Loophole of the choices listed. It’s most do-able. The real fix won’t happen for another couple hundred years—that’s to slowly breed out our cultural lock on gun mythology. Our kids are pulled into the ethic of acceptable violence before they get to kindergarten.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 4:52:56am

I voted for closing the gun show loophole on the assumption that it would include private sales in general. This would be the single most effective measure that is within reach. While highly publicized mass shootings are usually committed with guns that were purchased from licensed dealers, with background checks, this is not the case for run of the mill shootings that constitute the vast majority of gun homicides. The so-called “gun show loophole” is simply a small subset of the much larger “private sale loophole.” It is difficult to legally define “gun show sales” as distinct from other private sales. Any attempt to require checks at gun shows would therefore be childishly easy to evade unless it applied to private sales in general.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 5:11:49am

At the last gun show I attended, there was a table with a huge array of handguns for sale and a sign that read, “there is no paper on these guns.” These means the seller was not a licensed dealer and therefore did not conduct background checks. It probably also means the seller acquired the guns by private sale and had not been checked himself. In most of the world this seller would be a common criminal, but this kind of obvious gunrunning is perfectly legal under the current US system.

23 garhighway  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:58:09am

Make gun ownership like car ownership: every gun has a title that is tracked.

Strict liability on the registered owner for whatever harm is caused by that gun.

And no more than one gun purchase per month per person.


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