Pages

Jump to bottom

16 comments

1 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:16:43am

I strongly disagree with their decision. They took away the goodbyes the astronauts could have had with their friends and relatives. This is horrible.

Nevermind…the story appears to be bullshit.

2 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:31:50am

re: #1 JeffFX

What makes you say it’s bull?

3 Bubblehead II  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:32:12am

Video of Columbia’s takeoff showed a briefcase-sized chunk of foam breaking off an engine and colliding with the shuttle’s wing

Strange, I seem to recall that the only part of the Shuttle launch system that had any sort of insulation that tended to fall off during launch was the external fuel tank.

I am with JeffFX, this story is a crock of shit.

4 Destro  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:46:15am

re: #1 JeffFX

Is this real because if it is real then it is fucked up. We could not send up a Russian space capsule? The Cold War was over. We could not send up bottles of air and food till a replacement shuttle went in place, etc?

What the fuck were we doing since we landed on the moon?

Sorry, I am slowing down the anger - this story may be false…..

5 Ghost of a Dopefish  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:59:25am

I’m calling BS. Besides playing fast and loose with the facts, NASA had no way of determining the extent of the damage to Columbia solely from the launch video. Now it is true that NASA (and in particular, higher management) bungled attempts to investigate what they realized was a potential problem, but this does not prove foresight. The cited quote is given without context.

6 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:18:58pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

What makes you say it’s bull?

The comments on the article. It appears that one guy thought the orbiter would be destroyed on re-entry but NASA didn’t expect it.

7 erik_t  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:25:25pm

re: #5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I’m calling BS. Besides playing fast and loose with the facts, NASA had no way of determining the extent of the damage to Columbia solely from the launch video. Now it is true that NASA (and in particular, higher management) bungled attempts to investigate what they realized was a potential problem, but this does not prove foresight. The cited quote is given without context.

When you’re talking about foam falling off of ‘an engine’, you’re starting at a severe credibility deficit.

8 erik_t  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:29:39pm

re: #4 Destro

Is this real because if it is real then it is fucked up. We could not send up a Russian space capsule? The Cold War was over. We could not send up bottles of air and food till a replacement shuttle went in place, etc?

To answer the questions, no, no, and no. At no time in history has any space power had the ability to launch anything on such short notice.

9 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:02:13pm

Whether this story turns out to be true or false, there is probably not one of us who would have wished to be in the shoes of those at NASA who were faced with the difficult choices of how to deal with the damage that they almost certainly knew had occurred. FWIW, I am inclined to believe that NASA would have chosen to at least give the astronauts a chance of returning safely even if those chances were not great. Similarly, my belief in and respect for the tremendous courage that each and every astronaut on that mission had to even go into space in the first place leads me to believe that they would have chosen to take their chances attempting re-entry if the choice had been given to them. From what we, the public, have been led to believe, it does not appear that anyone actually knew the craft would not survive re-entry, such that the astronauts would have wanted or needed an opportunity to “say goodbye” beyond the one they had before taking off on the mission in the first place.

All of which is to say that none of this diminishes one iota the tremendous bravery shown by each and every human who has voluntarily chosen to travel into “outer space”, or the tragedy of what actually took place. May the souls of each and every member of that crew, and of their families and friends, know everlasting peace.

10 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:24:50pm

re: #4 Destro

Is this real because if it is real then it is fucked up. We could not send up a Russian space capsule? The Cold War was over. We could not send up bottles of air and food till a replacement shuttle went in place, etc?

What the fuck were we doing since we landed on the moon?

Sorry, I am slowing down the anger - this story may be false…..

Space flight is very dangerous no matter what capsule or rocket you ride. The Russians have lost some people and had a couple terribly close calls.

11 erik_t  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:25:07pm

re: #9 sliv_the_eli

Whether this story turns out to be true or false, there is probably not one of us who would have wished to be in the shoes of those at NASA who were faced with the difficult choices of how to deal with the damage that they almost certainly knew had occurred.

They didn’t know it had occurred, or rather had no way to guess the severity. At the time there was no regular on-orbit examination of tiles for damage, and though some indication of foam impingement was seen in the review of launch footage while Columbia was on-orbit, there was no way to rapidly determine where the strike was, exactly, and how serious the damage might be. Foam-induced tile damage was a fact of life in the program, and at least half a dozen flights had returned with TPS damage from foam impingement.

12 Bubblehead II  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:30:48pm

re: #7 erik_t

When you’re talking about foam falling off of ‘an engine’, you’re starting at a severe credibility deficit.

Yep. That was what really caught my eye. Such an blatant technical error tends to make me skeptical about the rest of the story.

13 Tigger2005  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 8:42:43pm

It’s a moot point now since the space shuttle program has been retired, but…would it have added that much weight to the shuttle to have included emergency food supplies and a recycled oxygen system that could, in the event it was known safe re-entry was impossible, have allowed the astronauts to survive long enough for a rescue mission to be attempted?

14 Ghost of a Dopefish  Sat, Feb 2, 2013 5:17:09am

re: #13 Tigger2005

It’s a moot point now since the space shuttle program has been retired, but…would it have added that much weight to the shuttle to have included emergency food supplies and a recycled oxygen system that could, in the event it was known safe re-entry was impossible, have allowed the astronauts to survive long enough for a rescue mission to be attempted?

Short answer, yes. An emergency mission can’t just be prepped and launched overnight. After Columbia, Space Shuttle missions were flown with an emergency relief standing by, but these backup missions were planned and prepped beforehand and took a not-inconsiderable amount of time and effort. The Space Shuttle, believe it or not, barely had fuel enough to make it to low Earth orbit as it was; and for every pound they added, they would’ve needed to add 20 pounds of rocket fuel somewhere.

The real problem with Columbia is that NASA grew accustomed to foam shedding from the tank and accepted it as SOP. The original design specs called for no shedding, and launches were supposed to be scrubbed if an impact was detected. By the time of Columbia, they just figured that it was no big deal, and had no procedures in place to detect if a strike was damaging or not. As the above quote points out, though, it’s also true that they couldn’t have done much about it even if they could tell.

15 Tigger2005  Sat, Feb 2, 2013 6:33:46am

So, here’s another option. Have an unmanned emergency food, fuel and oxygen station already in orbit.

16 Ghost of a Dopefish  Sat, Feb 2, 2013 10:08:11am

re: #15 Tigger2005

So, here’s another option. Have an unmanned emergency food, fuel and oxygen station already in orbit.

The problem there is that there would either have to be a lot of these stations, or the Shuttle would have to have its onboard fuel allotment increased so that it had sufficient fuel to adjust orbit to meet up with one of these stations. I understand where you’re coming from, and I’m sure NASA has considered many options, but space travel is inherently dangerous mainly because there are so many engineering difficulties with what would otherwise be obvious contingency solutions.


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2016-01-01 10:29 am PST
LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds Tweet

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal
Square Cash Shop at amazon
as an LGF Associate!
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Fallen OakThis was the tree that fell in yesterday's storms. It is blocking a street that is wide and is used by public transit. I hope by tomorrow it is gone.
PhillyPretzel
4 hours, 49 minutes ago
Views: 132 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 2
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Russians Targeted 21 Election Systems, U.S. Official Says Russian hackers targeted 21 U.S. state election systems in the 2016 presidential race and a small number were breached but there was no evidence any votes were manipulated, a Homeland Security Department official told Congress on Wednesday. Jeanette Manfra, ...
Tarkloon
1 day, 3 hours ago
Views: 279 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
The Tax Divide — Chicago Tribune Chicago has long been a city divided by race and class, a metropolis with starkly different crime rates, economic realities and educational opportunities depending on where you live. But there’s another division in Chicago and Cook County, one that ...
Birth Control Works
2 days, 14 hours ago
Views: 313 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 1
Comments: 0
: 1
Phoenix Flights Cancelled Because It’s Too Hot for Planes As temperatures climb in Phoenix, Arizona, more than 40 flights have been cancelled - because it is too hot for the planes to fly. The weather forecast for the US city suggests temperatures could reach 120F (49C) on Tuesday. ...
Tarkloon
2 days, 14 hours ago
Views: 490 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 33 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 1
Comments: 0
: 1
Presenting the Jay Sekulow Band Here's their cover of "Long Time" by Boston The band—featuring Sekulow on drums and guitar—includes John Schlitt, best known as the lead singer for the pioneering Christian rock band Petra, and John Elefante, the mustachioed former lead singer of ...
thecommodore
3 days, 5 hours ago
Views: 392 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
In Lynwood, Advanced Placement Classes Are No Longer Only for the Elite The school district’s hope is that the challenging AP courses inspire students to go straight from high school to college and help them do better when they get there. Research suggests that students who take more difficult high school ...
Birth Control Works
3 days, 16 hours ago
Views: 377 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 0 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
the Capital Region Yearns for More Ethnic Delis!blog.timesunion.com For pictures and videos, please click on the link above. Thanks.We’ve been living in the Capital Region of New York State for almost 24 years., and I really don’t have a lot of complaints. Oh sure, the Route 7 ...
rhoffman
3 days, 18 hours ago
Views: 341 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Tweets: 5 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
French Montana - Unforgettable Ft. Swae Lee"Unforgettable" ft. Swae Lee Available at iTunes: smarturl.itApple Music: smarturl.itSpotify: smarturl.itGoogle Play: smarturl.itAmazon Digital: smarturl.itDeezer: smarturl.itSoundcloud: smarturl.itTidal: smarturl.it French Montana online:frenchmontanamusic.cominstagram.com@FrencHMonTanAfacebook.com (C) 2017 Epic Records, a division of Sony Music Entertainment/Bad Boy Entertainment
Tarkloon
4 days, 3 hours ago
Views: 373 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 1 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Can One Get Blocked for Quoting Trump? Get blocked for just quoting? .Trump Quotes On 9/11: 'Thousands and thousands of people were cheering' 'A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the US" 1/5 — Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) June 18, 2017 .Trump Quote "'I'd bring back ...
Unshaken Defiance
4 days, 10 hours ago
Views: 460 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Tweets: 3 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0
Coconut Oil ‘As Unhealthy as Beef Fat and Butter’ It is packed with saturated fat which can raise "bad" cholesterol, says the American Heart Association in updated advice. Coconut oil is commonly sold as a health food and some claim the fat in it may be better for ...
Tarkloon
4 days, 17 hours ago
Views: 434 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 2
Tweets: 2 • Share to Facebook
Shares: 0
Comments: 0
: 0