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1 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:55am

Ron Paul served as an Air Force flight surgeon from 1963-68, directly aiding and abetting the air war in Vietnam. Paul bots will no doubt counter that he was a physician, selflessly healing the sick and injured, even though they were just thugs in Paulian minds. That is not a flight surgeon’s job, though. His job is to keep the crews fit and flying. For what were they being kept fit, and to where were they flying? Thanks, doc, bombs away!

The Randians in general, and the Paul-bots in particular, have made a point of hijacking Vietnam era lefty memes and rhetoric, though without even the pretense of any concern for justice or the fate of the masses. Paul himself advocates “Christ-like” non-violence. I wonder if any of them have thought about just what it would take to maintain their idealized system of property, birthright, and personal gain above all else? The feudal system was maintained by force of arms, nothing else. The latter day feudalism of the property cultists would be no different.

2 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:10:17am

My personal prescription for Paul kookery: Legalize marijuana already so these fools will shut up and sit in the corner munching Oreos instead of asserting their neurotic fantasies into the real world political process.

3 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:15:34am

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

My personal prescription for Paul kookery: Legalize marijuana already so these fools will shut up and sit in the corner munching Oreos instead of asserting their neurotic fantasies into the real world political process.

This is a good idea for a lot of reasons, but don’t expect pot to make people less weird or quieter.

4 Locker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:03:54am

First part of his tweet was non. 2nd part, absolutely true. PTSD sufferers have no business being around guns, firing ranges, loud noises, combat situations, etc.

5 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:25:15am

Why is this a problem? This is A) Biblically and B) Medically accurate.

6 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:27:14am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t support Rand Paul but I do support exploiting this double murder to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas and to spotlight the stupid and dangerous American gun culture.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:35:39am

re: #5 Destro

Why is this a problem? This is A) Biblically and B) Medically accurate.

Actually, many PTSD treatments involve slowly re-introducing the person with PTSD to the traumatic events. So for a soldier, a gun range is very appropriate place to deal with PTSD— if you’re a mental health professional.

This guy’s heart was in the right place, and he probably knew the risks he was taking. I don’t see any point in shitting on him, and the idea you can use his death to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas— or even impact it in the slightest— is delusional.

8 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:52:36am

Seems like a lot of magical thinking involved here. Blaming the victim to advance an anti-Iraq war narrative. Of course that was expected from some circles. Oh, and George McGovern probably ended up killing more people as a B-24 bomber pilot in WWII than Chris Kyle. War is hell and people die. You also can’t declare a unilateral peace. Kyle wasn’t sniping civilians in Iraq he was sniping the bad guys. I know. Bad guys. A concept some Americans have seem to have forgotten about.

9 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:10:42pm

re: #8 Gus

George McGovern probably ended up killing more people as a B-24 bomber pilot

What does that mean? Is it not praiseworthy to have a mass military killer like that not embrace war? Or is it cool if he bragged about all the deaths he caused as a bomber pilot?

10 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:15:19pm

re: #8 Gus

Kyle wasn’t sniping civilians in Iraq he was sniping the bad guys. I know. Bad guys.

Kind of reminds me of the scene from “Full Metal Jacket”

“Any person that runs is a VC anyone that stands still is a well disciplined VC”

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:17:36pm

re: #10 Destro

Finally, with a sniper’s death at the hands of an ex-marine at a gun range, you have the image that will take down the Americo-Fascist regime. To the streets!

12 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:19:20pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Actually, many PTSD treatments involve slowly re-introducing the person with PTSD to the traumatic events. So for a soldier, a gun range is very appropriate place to deal with PTSD— if you’re a mental health professional.

This guy’s heart was in the right place, and he probably knew the risks he was taking. I don’t see any point in shitting on him, and the idea you can use his death to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas— or even impact it in the slightest— is delusional.

Of course it’s delusional. The USA is a world spanning empire - if we run out of Americans to ship overseas we can raise divisions of foreign legions to do grunt work for us (and that was proposed in the Bush era).

[Link: www.military.com…]

13 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:21:01pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Finally, with a sniper’s death at the hands of an ex-marine at a gun range, you have the image that will take down the Americo-Fascist regime. To the streets!

Who knew the Bible was right after all…..

Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

◄ Matthew 26:52 ►

Anyway, if all those rapes of American women in the military by fellow soldiers/sailors/Marines does not dampen recruiting of women why should I think this episode will make anyone learn anything?

[Link: truth-out.org…]

14 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:22:13pm

re: #13 Destro

How is that ‘right’?

15 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:24:42pm

re: #14 Obdicut

How is that ‘right’?

In this case he lived by the gun, promoted the use of guns and got killed by the gun.

16 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:27:18pm

re: #15 Destro

In this case he lived by the gun, promoted the use of guns and got killed by the gun.

“Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”

I’m saddened you’ve given up on the dream of using this guy’s death to end American military adventurism, though. I think you should get back on that. It’s the role you were made to play.

17 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #16 Obdicut

A) Conservatives are the big Jesus freaks so they have to accept that Jesus meant “all” when he said it. I took it as rhetorical flourish.


B) As PTSD becomes more talked about it will lead to the end of American militarism overseas because while currently without a draft, we don’t give a shot about all those dead poor people who sign up to go to the military so they can get college money, etc we will pay attention as fewer of them start to do so or the costs for treatments rises. So we are in the early stages of this - give it time.

All empires fall, including the world spanning American one.

18 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:39:43pm

re: #17 Destro

A) Conservatives are the big Jesus freaks so they have to accept that Jesus meant “all” when he said it. I took it as rhetorical flourish.

So it’s just “Soldiers get killed a lot by weapons”? Yeah.

As PTSD becomes more talked about it will lead to the end of American militarism overseas because while currently without a draft, we don’t give a shot about all those dead poor people who sign up to go to the military so they can get college money, etc we will pay attention as fewer of them start to do so or the costs for treatments rises. So we are in the early stages of this - give it time.

How is PTSD going to get more talked about? It’s been a known diagnosis for a long time, and obviously even back post WWII, Korea, and Vietnam we knew veterans came back disturbed. Just how long am I supposed to give it?

The military generally recruits from an age-range that doesn’t tend to worry about things like mortality and PTSD, so I really doubt this will affect enlistment numbers. The cost for treatment of PTSD is shamefully being sidelined by misdiagnosis etc., but it’s certainly going to climb. But the fact that you’re saying the US is going to wake up military adventurism being bad because it costs a lot is funny as shit. Again, if this is the case, why haven’t we already? It’s not like this idiocy has been free.

All empires fall, including the world spanning American one.

It’s not an empire and it’s already fallen.

19 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:01:47pm

re: #18 Obdicut

PTSD was not well talked about or treated until the 1990s - we are just recently really talking about it now in the 21st century.

20 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:05:39pm

re: #19 Destro

PTSD was not well talked about or treated until the 1990s - we are just recently really talking about it now in the 21st century.

We have just now given it a name. It’s been talked about for a long time before that, it was called a lot of different things. The idea that people come back mentally wrecked from war is definitely not something that’s only been acknowledged since the 1990s. If nothing else, Vietnam certainly vaulted it into national consciousness. It’s what Rambo is about, for chrissakes.

21 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:12:29pm

re: #20 Obdicut

This article is from 2010. That is not that long ago.

August 15, 2010 9:15 pm

[Link: insidesurgery.com…]

Soldiers May Have Been Underdiagnosed With PTSD and Overdiagnosed With Personality Disorders

Recent reports suggest that the Army may have labelled thousands of soldiers with an incorrect diagnosis of having a personality disorder, when in actuality their behavioral problems instead might be related to traumatic brain injury or PTSD. Psychologist Barbara Van Dahlen, who runs the nonprofit organization “Give an Hour” comments.


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