Pages

21 comments

Jump to bottom
1 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:55am

Ron Paul served as an Air Force flight surgeon from 1963-68, directly aiding and abetting the air war in Vietnam. Paul bots will no doubt counter that he was a physician, selflessly healing the sick and injured, even though they were just thugs in Paulian minds. That is not a flight surgeon’s job, though. His job is to keep the crews fit and flying. For what were they being kept fit, and to where were they flying? Thanks, doc, bombs away!

The Randians in general, and the Paul-bots in particular, have made a point of hijacking Vietnam era lefty memes and rhetoric, though without even the pretense of any concern for justice or the fate of the masses. Paul himself advocates “Christ-like” non-violence. I wonder if any of them have thought about just what it would take to maintain their idealized system of property, birthright, and personal gain above all else? The feudal system was maintained by force of arms, nothing else. The latter day feudalism of the property cultists would be no different.

2 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:10:17am

My personal prescription for Paul kookery: Legalize marijuana already so these fools will shut up and sit in the corner munching Oreos instead of asserting their neurotic fantasies into the real world political process.

3 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:15:34am

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

My personal prescription for Paul kookery: Legalize marijuana already so these fools will shut up and sit in the corner munching Oreos instead of asserting their neurotic fantasies into the real world political process.

This is a good idea for a lot of reasons, but don’t expect pot to make people less weird or quieter.

4 Locker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:03:54am

First part of his tweet was non. 2nd part, absolutely true. PTSD sufferers have no business being around guns, firing ranges, loud noises, combat situations, etc.

5 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:25:15am

Why is this a problem? This is A) Biblically and B) Medically accurate.

6 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:27:14am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t support Rand Paul but I do support exploiting this double murder to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas and to spotlight the stupid and dangerous American gun culture.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:35:39am

re: #5 Destro

Why is this a problem? This is A) Biblically and B) Medically accurate.

Actually, many PTSD treatments involve slowly re-introducing the person with PTSD to the traumatic events. So for a soldier, a gun range is very appropriate place to deal with PTSD— if you’re a mental health professional.

This guy’s heart was in the right place, and he probably knew the risks he was taking. I don’t see any point in shitting on him, and the idea you can use his death to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas— or even impact it in the slightest— is delusional.

8 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 9:52:36am

Seems like a lot of magical thinking involved here. Blaming the victim to advance an anti-Iraq war narrative. Of course that was expected from some circles. Oh, and George McGovern probably ended up killing more people as a B-24 bomber pilot in WWII than Chris Kyle. War is hell and people die. You also can’t declare a unilateral peace. Kyle wasn’t sniping civilians in Iraq he was sniping the bad guys. I know. Bad guys. A concept some Americans have seem to have forgotten about.

9 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:10:42pm

re: #8 Gus

George McGovern probably ended up killing more people as a B-24 bomber pilot

What does that mean? Is it not praiseworthy to have a mass military killer like that not embrace war? Or is it cool if he bragged about all the deaths he caused as a bomber pilot?

10 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:15:19pm

re: #8 Gus

Kyle wasn’t sniping civilians in Iraq he was sniping the bad guys. I know. Bad guys.

Kind of reminds me of the scene from “Full Metal Jacket”

“Any person that runs is a VC anyone that stands still is a well disciplined VC”

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:17:36pm

re: #10 Destro

Finally, with a sniper’s death at the hands of an ex-marine at a gun range, you have the image that will take down the Americo-Fascist regime. To the streets!

12 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:19:20pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Actually, many PTSD treatments involve slowly re-introducing the person with PTSD to the traumatic events. So for a soldier, a gun range is very appropriate place to deal with PTSD— if you’re a mental health professional.

This guy’s heart was in the right place, and he probably knew the risks he was taking. I don’t see any point in shitting on him, and the idea you can use his death to end America’s hard on for militaristic adventures overseas— or even impact it in the slightest— is delusional.

Of course it’s delusional. The USA is a world spanning empire - if we run out of Americans to ship overseas we can raise divisions of foreign legions to do grunt work for us (and that was proposed in the Bush era).

[Link: www.military.com…]

13 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:21:01pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Finally, with a sniper’s death at the hands of an ex-marine at a gun range, you have the image that will take down the Americo-Fascist regime. To the streets!

Who knew the Bible was right after all…..

Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

◄ Matthew 26:52 ►

Anyway, if all those rapes of American women in the military by fellow soldiers/sailors/Marines does not dampen recruiting of women why should I think this episode will make anyone learn anything?

[Link: truth-out.org…]

14 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:22:13pm

re: #13 Destro

How is that ‘right’?

15 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:24:42pm

re: #14 Obdicut

How is that ‘right’?

In this case he lived by the gun, promoted the use of guns and got killed by the gun.

16 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:27:18pm

re: #15 Destro

In this case he lived by the gun, promoted the use of guns and got killed by the gun.

“Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”

I’m saddened you’ve given up on the dream of using this guy’s death to end American military adventurism, though. I think you should get back on that. It’s the role you were made to play.

17 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #16 Obdicut

A) Conservatives are the big Jesus freaks so they have to accept that Jesus meant “all” when he said it. I took it as rhetorical flourish.


B) As PTSD becomes more talked about it will lead to the end of American militarism overseas because while currently without a draft, we don’t give a shot about all those dead poor people who sign up to go to the military so they can get college money, etc we will pay attention as fewer of them start to do so or the costs for treatments rises. So we are in the early stages of this - give it time.

All empires fall, including the world spanning American one.

18 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:39:43pm

re: #17 Destro

A) Conservatives are the big Jesus freaks so they have to accept that Jesus meant “all” when he said it. I took it as rhetorical flourish.

So it’s just “Soldiers get killed a lot by weapons”? Yeah.

As PTSD becomes more talked about it will lead to the end of American militarism overseas because while currently without a draft, we don’t give a shot about all those dead poor people who sign up to go to the military so they can get college money, etc we will pay attention as fewer of them start to do so or the costs for treatments rises. So we are in the early stages of this - give it time.

How is PTSD going to get more talked about? It’s been a known diagnosis for a long time, and obviously even back post WWII, Korea, and Vietnam we knew veterans came back disturbed. Just how long am I supposed to give it?

The military generally recruits from an age-range that doesn’t tend to worry about things like mortality and PTSD, so I really doubt this will affect enlistment numbers. The cost for treatment of PTSD is shamefully being sidelined by misdiagnosis etc., but it’s certainly going to climb. But the fact that you’re saying the US is going to wake up military adventurism being bad because it costs a lot is funny as shit. Again, if this is the case, why haven’t we already? It’s not like this idiocy has been free.

All empires fall, including the world spanning American one.

It’s not an empire and it’s already fallen.

19 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:01:47pm

re: #18 Obdicut

PTSD was not well talked about or treated until the 1990s - we are just recently really talking about it now in the 21st century.

20 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:05:39pm

re: #19 Destro

PTSD was not well talked about or treated until the 1990s - we are just recently really talking about it now in the 21st century.

We have just now given it a name. It’s been talked about for a long time before that, it was called a lot of different things. The idea that people come back mentally wrecked from war is definitely not something that’s only been acknowledged since the 1990s. If nothing else, Vietnam certainly vaulted it into national consciousness. It’s what Rambo is about, for chrissakes.

21 Destro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:12:29pm

re: #20 Obdicut

This article is from 2010. That is not that long ago.

August 15, 2010 9:15 pm

[Link: insidesurgery.com…]

Soldiers May Have Been Underdiagnosed With PTSD and Overdiagnosed With Personality Disorders

Recent reports suggest that the Army may have labelled thousands of soldiers with an incorrect diagnosis of having a personality disorder, when in actuality their behavioral problems instead might be related to traumatic brain injury or PTSD. Psychologist Barbara Van Dahlen, who runs the nonprofit organization “Give an Hour” comments.


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day (per month) or 22 cents a day (per year), our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Last updated: 2014-03-07 2:19 pm PST

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
Randall Gross
Fraternity Closes Chapter Following Vandalism of Statue
The chapter that might secretly want to wear pointy hoods to their toga parties... In the pre-dawn hours of Feb. 16, vandals placed a noose around the neck of the statue and draped over its face a pre-2003 Georgia state flag with a Confederate battle emblem. Three freshmen fraternity members from Georgia, whose names haven't been released, were accused in the incident. They were ...

26 minutes ago
Views: 37 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
MichaelJ
Live now - 2014 Rip Curl Pro Bells Beach - ASP World Tour
More: 2014 Rip Curl Pro Bells Beach - ASP Iconic Bells Beach in Victoria, Australia once again hosts the world's best surfers for the 41st running of the Bells Beach Contest. New feature in this broadcast: drone cam!

1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Views: 63 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 2 • Rating: 0
palmerskiss
Atheists, Mormon Scholars Talk Religion
A little debate never hurt nobody: Two groups came together Wednesday night to create understanding between groups commonly seen at odds. Two professors of history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sat on a panel with two atheist experts for a discussion to dispel misconceptions and seek understanding. A debate seeks a winner, where discussions seek understanding, explained panel moderator Paul ...

1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Views: 46 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
cycroft
Russ Campbell’s Blog: Fiscal Conservatism Seems Alive and Well in Ottawa: 8,900 Public Service Jobs to Be Cut
When Con­ser­v­a­tives un­der Stephen Harper took of­fice in 2006, I was dis­ap­pointed at how much they re­sem­bled their pre­de­ces­sors when it came to their pen­chant for in­creas­ing the size of gov­ern­ment. More: Russ Campbell's Blog: Fiscal Conservatism Seems Alive and Well in Ottawa: 8,900 Public Service Jobs to Be Cut

5 hours, 21 minutes ago
Views: 72 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
Skip Intro
Why the Temperature of the Yellow Sea Is a Big Deal, and Other Questions About the South Korean Ferry Disaster
The boat ran into trouble several dozen miles from Jindo, an island that sticks out of South Korea's southwestern corner like a little toe. Jindo is surrounded by a group of even smaller islands that are slightly farther afield from the mainland. The ferry was curving around those small islands at the time it issued a distress call. What caused the disaster? We ...

6 hours, 29 minutes ago
Views: 179 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 20 • Rating: 0
FemNaziBitch
Bystander Effect, or Why This Week Has Been Really Scary
And if you have a friend or loved one who's survived an assault, here's a short list of things you should and shouldn't do to help out. Because if I've learned anything over the past few days, it's that watching someone you care for go through something like this can make you feel unbelievably helpless. But, in spite of that feeling, there are ...

10 hours, 9 minutes ago
Views: 150 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 0
Idle Drifter
Calgary stabbings: How knife crime in Canada can cause ‘moral panic’
What Calgary police chief Rick Hanson called the "worst mass murder" in the city's history didn't end at the barrel of a gun. Instead, the 22-year-old suspect identified on Tuesday as Matthew de Grood is accused of entering the kitchen at a house party, taking "a large knife" and using it to fatally stab four men and one woman, all of whom were students ...

1 day, 17 hours ago
Views: 179 • Comments: 4
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
aagcobb
New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate: New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Instead of pushing for a Constitutional amendment, which would have to be ratified in 38 states, advocates ask individual state legislatures to pass an agreement: that they'll pledge all their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote as soon as enough other states pass the law to ...

1 day, 23 hours ago
Views: 194 • Comments: 7
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Political Atheist
The Insane History of Rockets at Jet Propulsion Laboratories
The Rocket Boys In the late 1930s, a group of Caltech graduate students were booted off campus after blowing up (part of!) their building during a rocket test gone awry. Unwilling to give up on the joy of semi-controlled explosions, the students and a few of their friends headed into the San Gabriel Mountains. They picked a deserted gully -- Arroyo Seco -- ...

2 days, 20 hours ago
Views: 230 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 2
iossarian
Drug Companies Want Your Money
Two thematically-related stories on the BBC at the moment: UK drug company Glaxo 'paid bribes to Polish doctors' UK drug company GlaxoSmithKline is facing a criminal investigation in Poland for allegedly bribing doctors, BBC Panorama has discovered. Tamiflu: Millions wasted on flu drug, claims major report Hundreds of millions of pounds may have been wasted on a drug for flu that works no better ...

3 days, 2 hours ago
Views: 246 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 8 • Rating: 0
 Frank says:

It's better to have something to remember than nothing to regret...