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1 Bob Dillon  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 2:44:36am

While we never learned about this in school (I was off and on in school in Tulsa back in the 50s) I married a Tulsa girl. Her grandfather was raised in the Tulsa area and was there for the riots. I no longer remember the specifics of his stories, only that there was provication on both sides and it was quite ugly.

2 Randall Gross  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 3:30:55am

It was Klan instigated and started with an accusation of black on white rape:

[Link: digital.library.okstate.edu…]

3 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:17:46am

It was a good year for citizen air strikes:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

COL Billy Mitchell was invovled.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:26:31am

re: #3 Decatur Deb

It was a good year for citizen air strikes:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

COL Billy Mitchell was invovled.

That battle was made deadlier by the presence of numerous WWI veterans on both sides. Perhaps Blair Mountain should be seen with some of the same light as the fighting Germany and Italy that involved large numbers of veterans of the First World War (and that also helped ensure that there would be a Second World War). Even if Blair Mountain was less political, it was a brutal series of engagements between two sides stiffened by battle-hardened men.

5 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:27:58am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

That battle was made deadlier by the presence of numerous WWI veterans on both sides. Perhaps Blair Mountain should be seen with some of the same light as the fighting Germany and Italy that involved large numbers of veterans of the First World War (and that also helped ensure that there would be a Second World War). Even if Blair Mountain was less political, it was a brutal series of engagements between two sides stiffened by battle-hardened men.

And that’s very much the situation the threepers have wet dreams about, updated with Iraq vets.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:41:37am

re: #5 Decatur Deb

And that’s very much the situation the threepers have wet dreams about, updated with Iraq vets.

And modern weaponry, which is far more deadly at the close ranges in which fighting takes place (at long ranges the old M1903 30-06 is actually deadlier, owing to its more powerful cartridge and bolt action (moving parts generate vibration, which reduces accuracy)).

7 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:24:09am

re: #3 Decatur Deb

It was a good year for citizen air strikes:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

COL Billy Mitchell was invovled.

Is there any evidence of the Army bombers dropping bombs or firing guns during the operation? Private planes are claimed to have released homemade bombs at the instigation of the local sheriff, but this is a far cry from a federally authorized “air strike.” The wikipedia article says Mitchell’s planes were engaged in surveillance, but goes on to call this ” a rare example of air power being used by the federal government against US citizens.” Obviously the language was selected to invite a false inference, since trying to find out what is really going on does not, in and of itself, constitute taking sides or engaging in hostile action. The right of privacy does not extend to engaging gun battles. If this is “against” US citizens, then we are the targets of similar “strikes” every time there is a natural or man-made disaster.

8 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:37:29am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

Is there any evidence of the Army bombers dropping bombs or firing guns during the operation? Private planes are claimed to have released homemade bombs at the instigation of the local sheriff, but this is a far cry from a federally authorized “air strike.” The wikipedia article says Mitchell’s planes were engaged in surveillance, but goes on to call this ” a rare example of air power being used by the federal government against US citizens.” Obviously the language was selected to invite a false inference, since trying to find out what is really going on does not, in and of itself, constitute taking sides or engaging in hostile action. The right of privacy does not extend to engaging gun battles. If this is “against” US citizens, then we are the targets of similar “strikes” every time there is a natural or man-made disaster.

You have the level of military involvement right, although I’d have to dig out some old links on the intended uses of the recon. It was purposeful, not neutral oversight. That’s why I said Mitchell was involved, rather than an actor. IIRC he expressed enthusiasm for the mission.

The bombing itself was a sheriff-inspired act, very like the destruction of a housing block in Philadelphia by that idiot Rizzo (the MOVE seige).

9 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:43:15am

Both the Blair Mountain and the Tulsa bombings are long-standing lefty historical themes. The actual “Mother Jones” (labor activist Mary Harris Jones) was personally involved in the Blair Mountain episode, for example.
Now that a black man heads the federal government, though, the right has seen fit to hijack these memes for its own purposes, complete with weasel words, half truths, and lies by omission designed to blame the feds and the military.
This is ironic since in both cases it was the right’s ultimate guardians of liberty and highest legitimate law enforcement authorities, the local sheriffs, who are accused of instigating the use of armed aircraft and airborne weapons.
We have seen the use of airborne weapons in this country a lot more recently, too, but not by the feds.
Some advice for righties: Think twice about letting your yokel sheriff buy a drone to play with.

10 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:49:19am

Follow-on.

MG Leonard Wood dispatched 1600 troops, who arrived late, but definitely on the mineowner side. They were sent at owner request.

[Link: www.wvculture.org…]

11 Bob Dillon  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:31:18am

re: #2 Randall Gross

It was Klan instigated and started with an accusation of black on white rape:

[Link: digital.library.okstate.edu…]

Yes. The Klan was and probably still is alive and well in NE Oklahoma. My ex-wifes grandparents would ocassionally speak of some well known community members/leaders as Klan or when mentioning someone with such distain in their voice you knew it was Klan.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:53:49am

re: #10 Decatur Deb

Follow-on.

MG Leonard Wood dispatched 1600 troops, who arrived late, but definitely on the mine owner side. They were sent at owner request.

[Link: www.wvculture.org…]

Wood’s involvement was during an earlier episode, in 1919. Wood had been a big supporter of Attorney-General Palmer during the Red Scare that followed the end of WW1. This is cited as one of the reasons he failed to win the 1920 Republican presidential nomination. He was gone by the time of the “Battle of Blair Mountain,” which occurred two years later in 1921.
Troops did arrive in time to separate the combatants at Blair Mountain. There is little evidence that they definitely sided with the mine owners and a fair amount that they did not.

General Bandholtz ordered a cease-fire to go into effect at 4 p.m. In compliance with Governor Morgan’s order to obey Bandholtz, the sheriff’s deputies and the volunteers of the Logan force immediately disbanded. The miners, reassured then that they would not be attacked, and unwilling to resist so many regulars and the power of the national government, surrendered to the federal troops or simply went home. Although casualty figures were not kept by either side, best estimates put the death toll during the Battle of Blair Mountain at sixteen with all but four of the dead being miners. None of the casualties were inflicted by federal forces.43

Between September 4-8, 1921, federal troops disarmed and sent home without incident nearly fifty-four hundred miners. Having dramatically restored peace and order, virtually without firing a shot and without army-induced bloodshed, General Bandholtz refused Governor Morgan’s subsequent request for military posses to help civil authorities arrest miners wanted for violations of state laws. The maintenance of long-term order in West Virginia and the arrest of suspects, in Bandholtz’s mind, was not an army job once calm was initially restored. Military intelligence agents investigated union headquarters and meeting halls for evidence linking the marchers to a radical conspiracy. The agents found almost no radical literature, in spite of coal operator claims, and determined that a mere 10 percent of the miners were foreigners, “poor ignorant creatures who will believe anything that they are told.” One intelligence officer stated in his report, “I cannot find that any organization except the UMW operating in this field openly… . A small amount of I. W. W. and Bolshevist literature has been taken from departing miners.” Although trouble was expected by the army prior to its arrival in West Virginia, during the entire deployment no violent incidents by miners against federal troops were reported.

Mitchell, of course, was a notorious publicity hound and, like Wood, a Red Scare enthusiast. He did advocate the use of aerial gunfire and tear gas bombs to disperse the miners (though not the sheriff’s forces and company goons). Like many of the extreme positions he advocated during his career, this one fell on deaf ears. The reconnaissance flights were intended first to determine the condition of Matawan field as a forward base and, later, to provide intelligence for Gen. Bandholtz’s successful effort to envelop the battle area and restore the peace.

13 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:26:36am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Restoring the status quo ante was entirely to the advantage of the mineowners, buying them another 10 or 20 years.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 1:23:41pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Leonard Wood had served as commander of the volunteer cavalry regiment Teddy Roosevelt had raised for the Spanish-American Wat. That linked him closely to TR and the GOP. Despite his strikebreaking, its almost a pity Gen. Wood did not win the Republican nomination in 1920. He would have been a better president than Warren Harding, I feel sure in saying.


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