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1 alinuxguru  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:51:12am

California ranks 29th in State firearm deaths per capita. These common sense legislative measures, especially the continuing education requirement, will go a long way in driving California even further down the list. Now if CA only had a mental health screening requirement as well.

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2 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:28:29am

The bullet button will make no difference on the ground. But that is small potatoes.

I disagree with one of the proposals strongly.

Require CalPERS and CalSTRS, two of the nation’s largest pension funds, to divest from companies that make, sell, or market firearms or ammunition.

That has nothing to do with crime, safety, the gun accident rate or anything else gun death related. It’s unabashed grandstanding and a raw appeal for votes from the left. The vast majority of gun sales are to legit owners buying under strict rules here, police and military. Is California going to refrain from investing in Raytheon, or Boeing? How about Lockheed? No? Why not? They make weapons

That law is all about treating law abiding companies that are required to follow many regulations as if they were apartheid supporters or part of a nation we have sanctions against like North Korea or Iran. This is to create a false impression-That these are rogue or illegal companies. They are not. They are highly regulated manufacturers. Leading suppliers to law enforcement.

3 Locker  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:05:53am

re: #2 Political Atheist

I disagree. No idea if the state retirement funds are investing in military arms corporations but if they do, I wish they would cease. I also disagree that making investment choices gives the impression that a company is rogue or illegal. In fact I think that is ridiculous.

I would very much prefer that my retirement investment accounts weren’t making money from the success of death and destruction. Just one individual’s opinion.

4 mr.JA  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 8:23:23am

2 Prevent the future sale, purchase, manufacture, importation, or transfer of any firearms that can accept detachable magazines.

This would nearly outlaw any firearm apart from revolvers? Would this mean that a common 9mm pistol is outlawed? This would also ban (large-caliber) hunting and sport-shooting rifles…

8. Prohibit the loaning or sale of a firearm between people who know each other personally

I cannot understand the purpose of this law, why would it be illegal to sell a gun to a friend? Just make background checks compulsory.
I’m from a country with much stricter laws on gun ownership, but this strikes as a bit odd. Every single gun I’ve owned (used for sport-shooting only and kept in a safe) was bought from people I knew personally, since I wanted to know the history of the gun before I bought it.

5 Skip Intro  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 8:59:10am

Good for California. What we don’t need is more lunatics with guns.

“Three Dead in Delaware Courthouse Shooting in Wilmington”

When is enough enough?

6 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 8:59:20am

re: #4 mr.JA

2 Prevent the future sale, purchase, manufacture, importation, or transfer of any firearms that can accept detachable magazines.

This would nearly outlaw any firearm apart from revolvers? Would this mean that a common 9mm pistol is outlawed? This would also ban (large-caliber) hunting and sport-shooting rifles…

8. Prohibit the loaning or sale of a firearm between people who know each other personally

I cannot understand the purpose of this law, why would it be illegal to sell a gun to a friend? Just make background checks compulsory.
I’m from a country with much stricter laws on gun ownership, but this strikes as a bit odd. Every single gun I’ve owned (used for sport-shooting only and kept in a safe) was bought from people I knew personally, since I wanted to know the history of the gun before I bought it.

Classic over reach.

7 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:17:23am

re: #4 mr.JA

This would nearly outlaw any firearm apart from revolvers? Would this mean that a common 9mm pistol is outlawed? This would also ban (large-caliber) hunting and sport-shooting rifles…

I had the same reaction as far as pistol sales/ownership goes, but the bill only regulates rifles with detachable magazines, not “any firearms” as the author claims. Pistols would still be fine provided their magazines held ten rounds or less.

Rifles with magazines “detachable without the use of tools” would indeed be completely banned, so yes, several popular models of hunting rifles with “trapdoor” style rotary magazines would no longer be available for sale in California. Or at least until the manufacturers changed the design to include an attached “swing down” hinged internal magazine rather than a pop-out.

8. Prohibit the loaning or sale of a firearm between people who know each other personally

I cannot understand the purpose of this law, why would it be illegal to sell a gun to a friend? Just make background checks compulsory.
I’m from a country with much stricter laws on gun ownership, but this strikes as a bit odd. Every single gun I’ve owned (used for sport-shooting only and kept in a safe) was bought from people I knew personally, since I wanted to know the history of the gun before I bought it.

The reason you can’t understand it is because it isn’t a factual or correct representation of the proposed law, again the author is at fault for misrepresentation.

Currently a person who has passed a background check to purchase a firearm can “loan” it to anyone he or she wants for any length of time (forever?) and for any reason (hunting, protection,etc). As long as they do not provably “know” that the person is a felon or otherwise restricted from owning a firearm they cannot be charged. That is what the bill is supposed to control, because how do you prove in court that Edgar “loaned” a gun to Steve even though he “knew” was a felon?

Where the author came up with “Prohibit the loaning or sale of a firearm between people who know each other personally” I have no clue. I suppose if universal background checks were instituted, and finally included private sales, then something like “prohibit the sale of a firearm between people who personally know each other without a background check first being run on the purchaser” would be accurate…

8 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:20:45am

re: #3 Locker

I disagree. No idea if the state retirement funds are investing in military arms corporations but if they do, I wish they would cease. I also disagree that making investment choices gives the impression that a company is rogue or illegal. In fact I think that is ridiculous.

I would very much prefer that my retirement investment accounts weren’t making money from the success of death and destruction. Just one individual’s opinion.

Fair point, +1 for consistent

9 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:22:39am

re: #6 Political Atheist

Classic over reach.

As misrepresented by an author who either doesn’t know what he/she is talking about or is purposefully misstating the scope of the proposed legislation to further a specific political view…

Go read the actual proposal and then comment on whether or not it goes too far, it doesn’t seem all that “moonbatty” to me…

10 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:30:58am

re: #9 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Note neither Mother Jones nor the State Senators page links the actual text. Not even a bill number. Pending that, the more worrisome interpretations are worthwhile for discussion.

This is a state with a reputation for egregious wording-DUI on a bicycle or unicycle-Same as a car. If you nap in your car after a drink and put your keys in the ignition without the engine running it’s a DUI. You are “operating” the vehicle even with a stopped engine.

In a car everyone is possessing the gun in the trunk.

11 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:40:57am

We’ll see what the dem supermajority does on this. That majority most often displays a San Francisco/Berkeley/Sacramento axis of left leaning thought. Little to no thought to the effects on rural areas.

12 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 10:45:05am

Hopefully this will make some case law that will help chip away at Heller

13 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 12:19:34pm

re: #12 SpaceJesus

Hopefully this will make some case law that will help chip away at Heller

The Supreme Court specifically said that semi-automatic pistols were the preferred means of self/home-defense and therefore could not banned nor could severe restrictions be imposed on their sales or ownership. That part is not going to change in the foreseeable future.

The Court did leave the door open and almost seemed to be inviting the legislative branch to propose ways to further “regulate” (as in “well regulated militia”) the commerce side of the gun trade. So such things as universal registration and background checks, mandatory training classes, limited magazine capacity (if properly justified), and the like will very likely receive the nod from the Court against challenges.

What is NOT going to happen is any new wholesale restrictions on who can own guns, or any “substantially burdensome” impediments to acquiring/owning semi-automatic pistols (outside of “reasonable and purposeful” waiting periods).

“Heller” is the law of the land for the immediately foreseeable future, it just isn’t going to change all that much as long as the current majority remains on the Court.


(Writing that last sentence I suddenly got a flash-back to “The Pelican Brief.” LOL)


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