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1 Robur  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:53:23pm

Yes they can, get back to center right,dismiss the crazies,file 13 Fox News and dig down and say what the feel instead pandering to those who have hijacked them because of the GOP’s wide appeal to many Americans. Those who remember the GOP of years past can still be a force that may pull them back into pace with time and not dine on the ashes that never where who the GOP ever was. Eisenhower and Lincoln are slowly rolling over in their graves..

2 Locker  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:10:32pm

Very, very good article. Totally worth the read time.

3 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 2:31:26pm

Good article. I think they did a good job explaining why young voters like myself aren’t drawn to the Republican Party. It’s of course more then technology but how the Republicans themselves come off as which the article points out. The problem frankly with the Republicans is they come off rightfully so as a party more in favor of denying people their rights whether that’s women and the right to choose, gay marriage, or immigrants trying to find a better life. But at the same time, they want businesses to do whatever the hell they want with zero to little regulation. Most young people and I think the article does point this out aren’t radicals and what many conservatives have done wrong is view as such. The only Che Guavara shirt I own is one that is of Che wearing a Che shirt made by the Onion. I don’t quote Noam Chomsky. And there are many of us like that.

4 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 3:24:43pm

No.

5 aagcobb  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 3:31:25pm

These activists in the article seem to think their message of low taxes and a balanced budget is a winning one, and it is, in the abstract. Where they get killed by the Democrats is in the details. Balancing the budget without raising taxes requires massive cuts in very popular programs. At the same time the GOP has built itself around white evangelicals, who made up nearly 43% of Romney’s presidential support, which makes it very difficult to back off of the socially conservative positions they care about which turn off the nation’s youth. In contrast, while the rich who care about low taxes provide critical monetary support for the GOP, their votes are virtually irrelevant because there are so few of them. People making over $200K annually made up only 7% of the electorate and gave Romney less than a one point margin over Obama, while Obama had a nearly nine point margin over Romney with people making less than $50k. So I think they have to rethink their approach. Perhaps have a positive socially conservative message that is pro-marriage without being anti-gay, and pro reducing abortion by supporting access to reproductive health care for women, and in favor of deficit reduction with a balanced approach including more revenue. However the GOP is a long way from making that big a rethink of their philosophy.

6 Skip Intro  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:15:16pm

re: #1 Robur

Eisenhower and Lincoln are slowly rolling over in their graves..

I would just like to point out that conservatives of the time hated Eisenhower, wanting Taft instead. It was only by adding the commie hunting Richard Nixon to the ticket that Ike was tolerated.

It wasn’t all that different from today.

7 Skip Intro  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:18:05pm

re: #5 aagcobb

These activists in the article seem to think their message of low taxes and a balanced budget is a winning one, and it is, in the abstract.

Also, they’re only slightly less extreme than the people they want to replace. I imagine that by the time they reach middle age they’ll be indistinguishable from today’s GOP. One of them was actually longing for the good old days of Lee Atwater, for God’s sake.

8 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:51:25pm

re: #1 Robur

Yes they can, get back to center right,dismiss the crazies,file 13 Fox News and dig down and say what the feel instead pandering to those who have hijacked them because of the GOP’s wide appeal to many Americans. Those who remember the GOP of years past can still be a force that may pull them back into pace with time and not dine on the ashes that never where who the GOP ever was. Eisenhower and Lincoln are slowly rolling over in their graves..

Yes they can, get back to center right,dismiss the crazies,file 13 Fox News and dig down and say what the feel instead pandering to those who have hijacked them because of the GOP’s wide appeal to many Americans.


Saying what they feel is how GOP candidates like Mordock and Akin insured they were never elected.

9 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:55:28pm

re: #1 Robur

Yes they can, get back to center right,dismiss the crazies,file 13 Fox News and dig down and say what the feel instead pandering to those who have hijacked them because of the GOP’s wide appeal to many Americans. Those who remember the GOP of years past can still be a force that may pull them back into pace with time and not dine on the ashes that never where who the GOP ever was. Eisenhower and Lincoln are slowly rolling over in their graves..

I was a lifelong Republican going back to high school in 1980 and after watching the Tea Party/John Birch Society take over the GOP in 2009, I left for good. There is nothing the GOP can do to get me back ever. There is no regaining most of us who left. The GOP’s wide appeal to many Americans is nothing more than racism and catering to anti-science ignorance.. Good luck with that.

10 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:09:26pm
Can the Republicans be Saved From Obsolescence?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Fuck no.

Slightly longer answer: AHAHAHAHAHAHA….no.

As long as the Republican partry keeps bending over and grabbing their ankles for the religious and social bigots and for the far right nutters they will not escape obsolescence. And that’s before we even start talking about their social media and tech fails.

Also, LOL at these people trying to delude themselves that it’s the messaging and not the message. It’s the message, plain and simple. That point is made clear over and over and over in the article by the focus groups that they talk about, but even the young Republicans like S.E. Cupp keep believing the bullshit that if they just hide the more extreme ideas no one will notice. It will be a very rude awakening for the party when that doesn’t happen.

11 EiMitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:35:30pm
She went on to say, “I don’t think we win by subtraction” — meaning, by casting out the party’s right wing to entice the centrists. Instead, Cupp and her fellow travelers hope to revive Lee Atwater’s bygone “big tent,” under which gay people and Tea Party members and isolationists and neocons would coexist without rancor.

In other words, Cupp and co. wants something that is simply no longer possible. The “big tent” has been poisoned by the right’s base. Plans to return to it are suicidal.

I’ve said it before: its time for moderates to jump ship and form a new party. The center right needs to pitch a new tent for themselves. Yes, I realize they won’t win many elections (especially on the national stage) in the foreseeable future. But how is that different than staying in today’s Republican party? Being a moderate republican today means settling for extremist whacks in places where they have enough power to gerrymander their way to reelection.

That, or the center right votes for liberals like “RINOs.” For all intents and purposes, the democratic party is today’s “big tent.” Its the only party that currently gives centrists any say in politics.

Forming a new party was never the center rights best long-term chance. But it is now their only long-term chance. Catch 22 is that moderates are the ones least likely to make such an extra effort in the first place.

So-o-o-o we’re not going to have a healthy two-party system again until the misogynistic, gay-bashing, confederate-flag-waving right-wing base dies of old age. Get used to dysfunction if you haven’t already.

12 subterraneanhomesickalien  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:51:39pm

My question is who gives a shit?

The Democratic Party is a perfectly viable center right party.

What this country has needed for the last thirty or so years is a viable left-center left party, with muscle. Haven’t had that since the early sixties really.


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