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1 JeffFX  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:30:27am

They really don’t understand that being bigoted scum isn’t acceptable anymore outside of the backward conservative subculture, and isn’t even acceptable to the brighter and younger conservatives.

They can reform, or stay as they are, and be totally unelectable outside of our more regressive states. Fine by me either way.

2 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:36:23am

Because the GOP base is so heavily white evangelical, lots of republicans are going to continue to relentlessly press extreme anti-choice and anti-gay issues, turning off lots of young people. To win in 2016, it won’t be enough for a GOP presidential candidate to ignore those issues; he (or she) will need a “Sistah Souljah” moment to expressly repudiate the extreme repressive positions of the party base in order to break through the negative perceptions and have a chance to connect to young voters. As on the immigration issue, as Newt Gingrich said its hard to get someone to listen to your economic argument when you tell them you want to deport their grandmother.

3 Tigger2  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:47:19am

I don’t think they can win by putting down gays, and it’s also a loser to continue to try and run on that same old trickle down economics, the American people have caught on to that con.

4 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:51:26am

Deluded GOP Reformers

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com…]

5 Mattand  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:09:02am

re: #1 JeffFX

They really don’t understand that being bigoted scum isn’t acceptable anymore outside of the backward conservative subculture, and isn’t even acceptable to the brighter and younger conservatives.

The problem in a nutshell, right here.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:22:13am

re: #1 JeffFX

They really don’t understand that being bigoted scum isn’t acceptable anymore outside of the backward conservative subculture, and isn’t even acceptable to the brighter and younger conservatives.

They can reform, or stay as they are, and be totally unelectable outside of our more regressive states. Fine by me either way.

They are desperately trying to find someway to be bigoted but yet still be “nice enough” that their views come off as less extreme than they actually are.

This is the same “kobayashi maru” problem I wrote about just after last year’s election: The GOP can’t afford to lose the Tea Party voters, but they know those people alone aren’t enough to win them an election, so they try to find ways to appeal to a more general electorate while not alienating the TPers and (as we’ve seen MANY times) end up failing spectacularly.

Why? It can’t be done. There’s no way to soften up general Tea Party positions enough that the general public will endorse them.

7 Skip Intro  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:31:17am
“We lost [the 2012 election] because we didn’t present a vision showing how we believe the entire economy can grow, how people can join the middle class.

Maybe that’s because you never once talked about it. The 2012 GOP campaign was about three things: Making sure the people at the very top get even richer; showing women that their place in society is wherever a group of old, evangelical white men say it is; and calling every person who disagrees with you a parasite.

Nothing has changed as far as I can see.

8 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:36:17am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

They are desperately trying to find someway to be bigoted but yet still be “nice enough” that their views come off as less extreme than they actually are.

This is the same “kobayashi maru” problem I wrote about just after last year’s election: The GOP can’t afford to lose the Tea Party voters, but they know those people alone aren’t enough to win them an election, so they try to find ways to appeal to a more general electorate while not alienating the TPers and (as we’ve seen MANY times) end up failing spectacularly.

Why? It can’t be done. There’s no way to soften up general Tea Party positions enough that the general public will endorse them.

FWIW, here is how I see the next cycle or so of elections breaking out. Any GOP Member who in the eyes of the Tea Party Faithful is a RINO will be primaried and since the primary process tends to bring out the “true believers”, there will be some TP Winners. I can see the GOP Organization not supporting them in the general and they lose badly. Somebody like Palin starts to organize a “True Conservative” third party which will go the way of all other 3rd parties, but may well pull enough votes to keep the GOP out of power.

Of course, I could also be totally wrong, but I hate to thing that the vast majority of the people are as gullible as the Koch Brothers would like them to be.

RBS

9 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:14:52am
Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) — a possible Republican candidate for president in 2016.

The most socially awkward and un-photogenic candidate of the 2016 Republican primary season, if I were to put money on it now.

10 majii  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:54:34pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

I noticed how much Romney flipped the closer it got to the election, and I also noticed that he received NO push back from the GOP leadership or base for changing his position on every issue. This informed me that what conservatives really, really wanted most of all was a republican in the WH, because if they were truly dedicated to the issues they say are most important to them, there would have been no way they would have allowed Romney to use his Etch A Sketch as much as he did and get away with it.

11 Robur  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 7:11:39am

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes but like James Tibirius Kirk they are not smart enough to figure a way out of their “kobayashi maru”

12 Robur  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 7:12:17am

Perhaps it’s time the GOP meets their Wolfe 359!


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