Pages

4 comments

Jump to bottom
1 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:34:49pm

Interesting subject, thanks.

2 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:58:02pm

This is, I propose, a widely common phenomenon. Many groups reinforce their identity, and each individual as part of that group, by identifying the “outsider”, or in this case, the persecutor.

Religions tend to have murky beginnings if they were started long ago simply because literacy was so limited, and even those who could write did not necessarily compose “history” as we understand that discipline today.

There is also a case here of transference. As teachers/leaders of “Christianity” arose from the Jewish diaspora of that time they were indeed victims of the Roman eradication of Jewish self-rule that was basically over after 73AD and definitely over a few decades later. How much the Jewish experience with the Roman wars transferred onto the “new and improved” variant of Judaism that was eventually come to be called “Christianity” is an interesting problem.

As the Christian community became more and more dominated by Greek-thought teachers there is then the additional problem of how they, in the second and third centuries, re-interpreted the first century events.

3 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 27, 2013 4:26:43am

Yeah, I grew up with these persecution assumptions. Should be an interesting book. Didn’t realize much of the persecution theme had been debunked long ago.

Of course the very fact of this book’s existence will be cited as absolute PROOF that today’s Christians are persecuted.

4 Destro  Wed, Feb 27, 2013 7:03:44am

re: #3 Bulworth

Yeah, I grew up with these persecution assumptions. Should be an interesting book. Didn’t realize much of the persecution theme had been debunked long ago.

Of course the very fact of this book’s existence will be cited as absolute PROOF that today’s Christians are persecuted.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

The story of Christianity’s rise to prominence is a remarkable one, but the traditional story of its progression from a tiny, persecuted religion to the established religion in the medieval West needs some debunking.

Although in the first few centuries AD Christians were prosecuted and punished, often with death, there were also periods when they were more secure. Secondly, the rise of Christianity to imperial-sponsored dominance in the fourth and fifth centuries, although surprising, was not without precedent, and its spread hardly as inexorable as contemporary Christians portrayed it.

The theory I like best is that Constantine, who was born in the eastern Roman empire (though proclaimed as emperor in York, England) chose to adopt Christianity because it had become a dynamic religion amongst the Greek populations of the Eastern part of the empire. Once Greek culture went Christian the Roman Latin empire adopted it (Latin Rome never developed it’s own culture and saw itself as an extension of Hellenism). How persecuted was Christianity if Constantine’s own mother was a Christian (nominal though she may have been at first) and his staff and inner circle was filled with Christians as well as Pagans?

The important question to me is not why Rome became Christian but why did the Greeks (and or the Hellenized eastern peoples) become Christians?

And judging by the Hebrew/Jewish DNA in Italians and Greeks (a larger percentage than say found in German or eastern European populations) how many of these Christians were Hellenized Jews who just adopted the Hellenistic version of Judaism and intermarried with the local population they were living with?


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day (per month) or 22 cents a day (per year), our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2014-03-07 2:19 pm PST

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
Rightwingconspirator
The Stark Beauty Of The Flaw In the Gem. Literally.
It's late, I'm beat and just signed off from a good discussion in Obdi's Page tonight. But I ran across this after signing out and had to share it. I found a kindred style of photography from a part of ...

1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Views: 51 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 2
Randall Gross
Atlanta ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Sentenced to Six Years for Possessing a Firearm
Eventually all of these dangerous bozos go to jail. n further efforts to establish his "right" to the residence, court documents say, Gibson "taped to the windows fraudulent Quiet [sic] Claim Deeds and other sovereign citizen documents" declaring he "was ...

4 hours, 23 minutes ago
Views: 89 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
CriticalDragon1177
Skepchick - Food is for White Liberals What Sex Is For The Religious Right
An interesting commentary by Julia Burke, on the obsession some people on the far left have with food, and how it is similar to how some people on right feel about sex. Do you agree? Do you think the analogy ...

9 hours, 11 minutes ago
Views: 177 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 1
EiMitch
Cracked: 5 Reasons The Classic American Summer is Totally Dead
They could've called this article "Look at how 'supply-side' economics, anti-environmentalism, and all-around pro-oligarch legislation and ideology has destroyed some of the most iconic, classic Americana." cracked.com Oh, and gentrification-based laws are also robbing us of the classic ice-cream truck ...

9 hours, 32 minutes ago
Views: 118 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
_RememberTonyC
Qatar, Bergdahl, and Hamas
One thing we have learned in the current conflict is that Hamas has three main sponsors: Turkey, Iran, and Qatar. So when Bergdahl was released and the five taliban bigs were released into the "custody" of Qatar, we basically handed ...

1 day, 3 hours ago
Views: 153 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
Skip Intro
Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

2 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 217 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 4 • Rating: 3
Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

5 days, 10 hours ago
Views: 507 • Comments: 12
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 5
FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

5 days, 17 hours ago
Views: 390 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

1 week, 1 day ago
Views: 279 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 2 days ago
Views: 450 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 1
 Frank says:

Whatever you have to do to have a good time, let's get on with it, so long as it doesn't cause a murder.